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You can make an 88 Chevy truck pretty fast too. The chevrolet 350 is probably one of the easiest engines to work on, and you can get a damn good amount of power out of it for cheap! (Ohhh the blasphemy!)

As the owner of an 88 S-10 with a screaming 4 cylinder engine and a 5 speed, the thought of a 350 under the hood starts to make it bearable as a winter driver while my pony is garaged. — 1996 Mystic Cobra #768    Born 2/28/96    Cobra #5016/7496

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You can make an 88 Chevy truck pretty fast too. The chevrolet 350 is probably one of the easiest engines to work on, and you can get a damn good amount of power out of it for cheap! (Ohhh the blasphemy!) Rusty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But, that reliable import does open up the door for a car that, say, needs an engine swap… ENGINE SWAP!!!!!! are you nuts??? A lightly moded GSX will run 1/4 mile in low 13’s, with only light mods. Heavy mods will get you to the high tens, or low 11’s…..and still get better gas mileage than a mustang! ) True – but the ‘95+ GSXs are out of my possible price range. An ‘89 Camry and, say, a nearly-decent ‘67 Mustang or Chevelle a few months down the road is not. Also – the older car gives me the chance to build some shadetree mechanic skills. All-in-all, I’d rather find an ‘88+ Chevy truck, and use it to haul stuff (and, in the probability that I get a classic, hit the swapmeets and junkyards.

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But, that reliable import does open up the door for a car that, say, needs an engine swap… ENGINE SWAP!!!!!! are you nuts??? A lightly moded GSX will run 1/4 mile in low 13’s, with only light mods. Heavy mods will get you to the high tens, or low 11’s…..and still get better gas mileage than a mustang! )

True – but the ‘95+ GSXs are out of my possible price range. An ‘89 Camry and, say, a nearly-decent ‘67 Mustang or Chevelle a few months down the road is not. Also – the older car gives me the chance to build some shadetree mechanic skills. All-in-all, I’d rather find an ‘88+ Chevy truck, and use it to haul stuff (and, in the probability that I get a classic, hit the swapmeets and junkyards.

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<snip so basically they rice out all types of cars with the headlight covers and the fart cans so that the girls think their car is a race car…

Damn, if people think THAT is a race car, we are ALL in trouble!! i mean i want a fast car but i also want something that i can look at and say "wow.. i am so lucky to have that".. i wanted a 300zx because it has a pretty good amt of hp and looks good too… i dont have the money for that so i figured that i would get an old mustang GT (around ‘90)..

My philosophy is, who cares what it looks like. Paint doesn’t make you go fast, horsepower does! Besides, no one can really see what your car looks like if you go fast enough . Rusty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – at least it is fast… ok im done rambling, chris Yeah , most of those kids dont want a really fast car though. Its all part of an image. See around here Mustangs arent "cool" to those kids , it doesnt matter how fast they are. I have had the chance to talk to alot of the riceboys/girls around here and I asked them several things and here is what I have found. The reason for the fart tips is because it makes the car loud but they arent tryign to make it sound fast they just like the attention everyone gives them. As for all the modifications on a civic that basically cost alot but  still make is slow , well it comes down to the fact that they dont really care how fast it is , its like a status thing " so and so has this on thier ride and blah blah blah"  the more money you spend the cooler you are. Then there is just the point that times are changing and the slow imports are the choice for people now , remember when everyone and thier brother had a

5.0?

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<snip I think you’ve nailed it down good.  Today’s kiddies haven’t the foggiest idea what real V-8 power even feels like, much less really care.  They’d much rather have fart pipes, silly tiny wheels, and neon crap bolted underneath their ‘ride’, so they can strut around their buddies, who are generally ‘in awe’ at such nonsense.  And, they sit around wondering why everyone with a decent car laughs their ASSES off at them, at every stoplight.

Don’t forget these people wear some pretty strange clothes, too!! Rusty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure, when I was 16, I thought little 4-banger weeniemobiles were cute, but even then, I longed for a fire-breathing MONSTER V-8 underneath my hood.  Something that would flat-out pull the front-left wheel and shit in the road.  Yeah.  4-on-the-floor, supercharged, and that all too familar American V-8 rumble that’s so choppy, you could lean on the sound waves. Knowing this, I suspect this kid will puss-out and buy the Hoooonda, and start saving for his tint and fart pipes to impress his immature buddies.  What a complete waste of money.  Is it any wonder why young women wonder where in HELL all the MEN went? -JD

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But, that reliable import does open up the door for a car that, say, needs an engine swap… ENGINE SWAP!!!!!! are you nuts??? A lightly moded GSX will run 1/4 mile in low 13’s, with only light mods. Heavy mods will get you to the high tens, or low 11’s…..and still get better gas mileage than a mustang! )

But how much will these ‘light’ and ‘heavy’ mods cost said owner? Rusty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Such may be the case wherever you a from, but here in London Ontario it’s a different story.  I’m 17 and i would much rather take the extra time, and save up the extra money to go out and buy a 5.0, and thats final.  Even if it takes an extra year I am willing to do that for a V8.  A good example of this is at my school.  Far more people drive powerful, or somewhat powerful cars instead of little 4-bangers.  There are 2 or 3 GT’s at my school, and one person even owns a Cobra.  And its not just mustangs, but any car with power at my school is a good one, and no one cares about shitty weak cars, or 5 inch exausts on a Civic, or Neon lights, or anything like that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think much of it boils down to "today’s kids" for the most part are not "car guys" but are more "image guys".  Most of them probably don’t even know that the import is FWD and the Mustang RWD nor do they care. I think you’ve nailed it down good.  Today’s kiddies haven’t the foggiest idea what real V-8 power even feels like, much less really care.  They’d much rather have fart pipes, silly tiny wheels, and neon crap bolted underneath their ‘ride’, so they can strut around their buddies, who are generally ‘in awe’ at such nonsense.  And, they sit around wondering why everyone with a decent car laughs their ASSES off at them, at every stoplight. Sure, when I was 16, I thought little 4-banger weeniemobiles were cute, but even then, I longed for a fire-breathing MONSTER V-8 underneath my hood.  Something that would flat-out pull the front-left wheel and shit in the road.  Yeah.  4-on-the-floor, supercharged, and that all too familar American V-8 rumble that’s so choppy, you could lean on the sound waves. Knowing this, I suspect this kid will puss-out and buy the Hoooonda, and start saving for his tint and fart pipes to impress his immature buddies.  What a complete waste of money.  Is it any wonder why young women wonder where in HELL all the MEN went? -JD

Your macho typing makes me want to re-enlist back into the Marine Corps… But, also glad to have owned a 64 Falcon with a Mustang 298 HiPo, and a 70 Maverick 302  with all sorts of neat shit in it.  Last week I traded in my Silver 93 SHO for a  just a Performance Red 35 th Anniversary GT. BTW Don’t be surprised if a riceboy wannabe with a riceboyed Escort GT posts that he whupped a Red 99 GT.  I totally ignored him.  I thought that he just needed a new muffler.  How was I to know? Ain’t this shit cool? Ed Clark

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But, that reliable import does open up the door for a car that, say, needs an engine swap…

ENGINE SWAP!!!!!! are you nuts??? A lightly moded GSX will run 1/4 mile in low 13’s, with only light mods. Heavy mods will get you to the high tens, or low 11’s…..and still get better gas mileage than a mustang! ) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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First before I say anything, I’d just like to add that I love reading post where people shit on the riceburners. I’m 22 years old and I have a red 98 gt. Like all you guys I never understood the whole import thing. Sure you can make them fast, but whats the point? You have to spent thousands of dollars on them with blowers and nitrous and by the time you spend all that money you could have spent that money on a v8 and been running 10-12’s instead of a ricey family car running 15-16’s. I’m going to be very sad when there isn’t a muscle car on the market. It will be a sad sad day. But my mustang will always roam the streets beating them all at stops lights and proudly displaying the "piss on rice burner’s" stick on my window for all to see.

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(KJMeloney) writes: Yes, I can understand that point.  However (and I didn’t say this in my first post), this kid races his mom’s Camry (!!!) down at the local drag spots around Philadelphia.  

(Hmmm…  The only local drag spots around Philly that I know of are Atco, Cecil County, and Maple Grove…)  

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I think much of it boils down to "today’s kids" for the most part are not "car guys" but are more "image guys".  Most of them probably don’t even know that the import is FWD and the Mustang RWD nor do they care.

I think you’ve nailed it down good.  Today’s kiddies haven’t the foggiest idea what real V-8 power even feels like, much less really care.  They’d much rather have fart pipes, silly tiny wheels, and neon crap bolted underneath their ‘ride’, so they can strut around their buddies, who are generally ‘in awe’ at such nonsense.  And, they sit around wondering why everyone with a decent car laughs their ASSES off at them, at every stoplight.   Sure, when I was 16, I thought little 4-banger weeniemobiles were cute, but even then, I longed for a fire-breathing MONSTER V-8 underneath my hood.  Something that would flat-out pull the front-left wheel and shit in the road.  Yeah.  4-on-the-floor, supercharged, and that all too familar American V-8 rumble that’s so choppy, you could lean on the sound waves.   Knowing this, I suspect this kid will puss-out and buy the Hoooonda, and start saving for his tint and fart pipes to impress his immature buddies.  What a complete waste of money.  Is it any wonder why young women wonder where in HELL all the MEN went? -JD

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(Hmmm…  The only local drag spots around Philly that I know of are Atco, Cecil County, and Maple Grove…)  

Ok, I’ll bite… Are you SERIOUS?!  I was talking about the very-local, street-variety drag spots (not official drag strips) around Philly… A la Front Street, 62nd & Passyunk, the Automall, etc… -Kirk PS — Anyway, this kid I was talking to actually races his mom’s Camry at Atco (or at least has gotten times on it there), as well as on the street.

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You said in part; Insurance and gas, most likely. That’s what I face now – either some kind of import – Camry, ….. I say; What makes you think a V6 Camry is better on gas than a V6 Mustang?  Besides with the extra money it will cost you to buy a Camry you can run the Mustang for FREE for a couple years.

I should have noted – we’re discussing an ‘88 or ‘89 Camry. Now you know why the call of the classic is getting stronger. (The Chevelle guys seem cool – they’ve got a great discussion board at www.chevelles.com) Would that I could afford a newer car, the Mustang would be up there on the list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank

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…But when it comes time to PURCHASE a car, what the hell is the criteria for buying the car if it’s between a Mustang and an import?!

Insurance and gas, most likely. That’s what I face now – either some kind of import – Camry, Eclipse (though an AWD turbo would be a nice daily driver…), whatever – or classic Mustang/Chevelle. (Other options include newer truck, or classic truck) It comes down to 25mpg vs. 13-14mpg, $125/month insurance vs. $200/month, etc. And, since this is my college car, it’ll have to be reliable. But, that reliable import does open up the door for a car that, say, needs an engine swap…

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not me i am 17 and would never drive one of them 4 bangers no matter how fast they went.  I think that I will stick with Mustangs

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You said in part; Insurance and gas, most likely. That’s what I face now – either some kind of import – Camry, ….. I say; What makes you think a V6 Camry is better on gas than a V6 Mustang?  Besides with the extra money it will cost you to buy a Camry you can run the Mustang for FREE for a couple years. Frank

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Im 17 and I live on Long Island Babylon to be precise and I never hear about how kids want Lexus’s or BMW ’s. In fact one kid in our school got himslef a 25 Mustang Convertible on the road and I knew the car I wanted for the rest of my life, as of right now im the proud owner of a 73 Mach1 302 and I plan on keeping it and buying mustangs for life.

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    Being 16, I believe I am qualified to respond to this post.  As some of you know, I own a 1998 V6 Mustang.  I bought this car because I hate 4 banger imports and couldn’t afford the insurance on a GT.  Even with a V6, I am able to beat majority of the import cars off the line, and I love the way the SN95 body style looks.  My dream car happens to be a ‘66 Shelby Cobra, though I would be more then happy to drive a Mercedes (Love the E55) or a BMW.     I go to what may be considered a prep school (De La Salle – the one with the football team #1 in US last year), so I see more then a fair share of rich kids driving Audis, BMWs, and M-Bs, etc., but the majority of cars still are sports cars, followed by Trucks/SUVs, then imports.  I also want to state that when I ask what kind of car they would rather have, an import or a stangcambird, majority (usually Caucasian) choose the stangcambird where as the rest go Import (primarily Asian).  I do not mean to be racist, but before I got my stang I asked a fair amount of people and that was the result. Just My Opinion, Nick Andrade ‘98 V6 White – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, Upon pulling up in my girlfriend’s neighbor hood, a 17 year old kid, who noticed the whir of my blower, approached me to ask me about my ['93 Cobra] Mustang.  It wasn’t long before he told me that he was looking to get a new car, but couldn’t decide between a Mustang or "like, a Honda Civic or something." Now, I see all of the inflamatory posts here about "Whooped an LX with my Sentra" and crap like that, and that’s all fine, well, and good.  It makes sense that if someone already has a souped-up import that they’d want to run against a reputedly fast car like a Mustang.. …But when it comes time to PURCHASE a car, what the hell is the criteria for buying the car if it’s between a Mustang and an import?! I figured that most Mustang owners like the fact that the Mustang is American, and that it’s quick.  And as far as American cars go, I’d think that American car buyers fall into either the Camaro camp or the Mustang camp, and don’t really ride that fence.  Likewise, I figured that most import owners KNEW that they wanted an import, and that was that (the whole import "scene" seems very different from the American muscle car scene).  Is this all wrong though? It just struck me as odd that this kid couldn’t decide between import or Mustang.  I likened it to apples and oranges, and he wasn’t even deciding from a practicality standpoint, either (it wasn’t like he was deciding between a nifty, fast Corvette that he always wanted, or being able to take the kids to school in a minivan — I think this kid just wanted a cool, fast car that he could race). I found this first-hand experience with one of "today’s kids" pretty interesting (and I thought of this NG immediately, too!).  Just thought I’d share! -Kirk

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Yes, I can understand that point.  However (and I didn’t say this in my first post), this kid races his mom’s Camry (!!!) down at the local drag spots around Philadelphia.  So, I think this kid IS interested in the speed, or at least the fact that either car CAN be made to be mighty quick… -Kirk << Yeah , most of those kids dont want a really fast car though. Its all part of an image. See around here Mustangs arent "cool" to those kids , it doesnt matter how fast they are

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Hey all, <snip I found this first-hand experience with one of "today’s kids" pretty interesting (and I thought of this NG immediately, too!).  Just thought I’d share! -Kirk

It’s a different world, man! Several times at the local gym, I’ve overheard the 16-20 year-old crowd talking about their dream cars, and they almost never mention ‘Mustang’, ‘Firebird’ or ‘Camaro’ and never ‘Corvette’. Frequently I do hear ‘SUV’, ‘Lexus’ (four-door, not coupe), ‘Mercedes Benz’, etc. Oddly, it’s not really an import thing, either: I don’t hear ‘Eclipse’ or ‘Miata’ either. They seem to prefer comfort over speed. When I was 16, I bought a 1971 Plymouth Duster 340 Wedge. My best friends respectively owned: a 1971 Mach 1, an Opel GT, and a 1967 Camaro convertible. Four-door cars were considered ‘old-person cars’. Now I guess pony cars and sports cars are considered ‘old-person cars’. Cheers, Eric — 1999 Silver GT convertible K&N Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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convertible. Four-door cars were considered ‘old-person cars’. Now I guess pony cars and sports cars are considered ‘old-person cars’.

Ouch!  That’s a horrible thought.  It took me years to figure out what I wanted to be when I grew up.  Now I just wish I hadn’t grown up! To make it worse you are going to tell me that I’m driving an ‘old farts’ car. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Yeah, well I guess this all started back in the day, when insurance on a V8 with a 4-speed was $100 a year. I paid $1200 for 6 months for my 66 back when I was 16. It’s gone down considerably since than, but I still cringe when I make out the cheque. BTW- I spent about $15,000 (of my own money, not Mom & Dads ) on the car, including purchase in the first 2 years I owned it. In return I had a fast, reliable car, that was very unique and gave me more fond memories than a trip to Amsterdam with the same $15,000! Well, maybe.

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Yeah , most of those kids dont want a really fast car though. Its all part of an image. See around here Mustangs arent "cool" to those kids , it doesnt matter how fast they are. I have had the chance to talk to alot of the riceboys/girls around here and I asked them several things and here is what I have found. The reason for the fart tips is because it makes the car loud but they arent tryign to make it sound fast they just like the attention everyone gives them. As for all the modifications on a civic that basically cost alot but  still make is slow , well it comes down to the fact that they dont really care how fast it is , its like a status thing " so and so has this on thier ride and blah blah blah"  the more money you spend the cooler you are. Then there is just the point that times are changing and the slow imports are the choice for people now , remember when everyone and thier brother had a 5.0?

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Hey all, Upon pulling up in my girlfriend’s neighbor hood, a 17 year old kid, who noticed the whir of my blower, approached me to ask me about my ['93 Cobra] Mustang.  It wasn’t long before he told me that he was looking to get a new car, but couldn’t decide between a Mustang or "like, a Honda Civic or something."   Now, I see all of the inflamatory posts here about "Whooped an LX with my Sentra" and crap like that, and that’s all fine, well, and good.  It makes sense that if someone already has a souped-up import that they’d want to run against a reputedly fast car like a Mustang.. …But when it comes time to PURCHASE a car, what the hell is the criteria for buying the car if it’s between a Mustang and an import?! I figured that most Mustang owners like the fact that the Mustang is American, and that it’s quick.  And as far as American cars go, I’d think that American car buyers fall into either the Camaro camp or the Mustang camp, and don’t really ride that fence.  Likewise, I figured that most import owners KNEW that they wanted an import, and that was that (the whole import "scene" seems very different from the American muscle car scene).  Is this all wrong though? It just struck me as odd that this kid couldn’t decide between import or Mustang.  I likened it to apples and oranges, and he wasn’t even deciding from a practicality standpoint, either (it wasn’t like he was deciding between a nifty, fast Corvette that he always wanted, or being able to take the kids to school in a minivan — I think this kid just wanted a cool, fast car that he could race). I found this first-hand experience with one of "today’s kids" pretty interesting (and I thought of this NG immediately, too!).  Just thought I’d share! -Kirk

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