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Car Rental vs. TrainPass

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous?

Only if you travel 1st class on premium trains and buy your tickets at the station for each trip is car travel going to begin to cost the same. Do you know how much gas costs in Europe? Parking is also a MAJOR problem in just about any city you’re interested in, whereas train stations tend to be clase to city centers and have bus stop complexes in the immediate vicinity, to say nothing of taxis. And sightseeing while driving can be dangerous as well. — Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar) Erilar’s Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

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I agree with previous posts in that it depends on what type of travelling that you will be doing.  Travellers who will mainly be visiting major cities are better off on a train, but a car is way better for the countryside. Pat.

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

It depends on where you want to go and your style of travel — but as a couple we always rent a car when out in the countryside and shuck it when going into cities like Paris or Rome for a week or so — train passes for adults are very expensive and we find the car to be competitive

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We just returned from a three week driving tour of five countries in Central Europe.  Set it up through www.driveeurope.com and it was a great trip.  We had the car for two weeks and traveled via hydrofoil and trains for the last week.  I have to say that the car was worthless in the major cities.  A real hassle, in retrospect we probably would have been better off using the trains, but then again we would have missed a lot of small towns which we really enjoyed.  I guess it is really about what you want to do and should not be an economic decision. Ed in Las Vegas

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,        Brian

Why not do both, use the train pass to travel between cities, sight see a few places using local transport then hire a car and see the out of town sites.  This will save you parking fees worrying about the car etc. Also you could end up doing a lot of mileage and I am not sure how the rental company will feel about unlimited mileage and taking the car into several different countries.  Don’t forget it isn’t the cost of the car but the insurance costs that add a lot to the price.  Hiring a car for 6 solid weeks is going to cost a lot!!! Just my 2 pence worth we have not adopted the Euro yet. — Ron Clarey Translaters.net HTTP://www.translaters.net

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Depends where in those countries you’ll be travelling to.  If you want to visit the countryside (small towns/villages, out of the way castles, etc.) then a car is a must.  But, if you will visit mostly big cities (Paris, Amsterdam, Rome, Venice) then the train is the way to go because in those big cities you will most likely be parking your car (for a lot of money!) because the traffic is horrendous and taking the public transport (subway, trams, buses) is much more convenient and faster. Remember gasoline in Europe is about 4x the price in the US.  Most highways are toll-roads.  Parking in the city center is either a hassle/non-existent or you have to pay a lot ($20-30 a day or more!) Usually a car rental becomes competitive monetarily when you have 3 or more people travelling.  Train passes now also come in lower-price types that don’t include all 17 Eurail countries (e.g. Europass for 5 countries + additional zones available as add-on).  If you travel as a pair, you can also get Saverpass that can svae you even more.  Look up www.eurail.com for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,        Brian

Why not do both, use the train pass to travel between cities, sight see a few places using local transport then hire a car and see the out of town sites.  This will save you parking fees worrying about the car etc. Also you could end up doing a lot of mileage and I am not sure how the rental company will feel about unlimited mileage and taking the car into several different countries.  Don’t forget it isn’t the cost of the car but the insurance costs that add a lot to the price.  Hiring a car for 6 solid weeks is going to cost a lot!!! Just my 2 pence worth we have not adopted the Euro yet. — Ron Clarey Translaters.net HTTP://www.translaters.net

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Depends where in those countries you’ll be travelling to.  If you want to visit the countryside (small towns/villages, out of the way castles, etc.) then a car is a must.  But, if you will visit mostly big cities (Paris, Amsterdam, Rome, Venice) then the train is the way to go because in those big cities you will most likely be parking your car (for a lot of money!) because the traffic is horrendous and taking the public transport (subway, trams, buses) is much more convenient and faster. Remember gasoline in Europe is about 4x the price in the US.  Most highways are toll-roads.  Parking in the city center is either a hassle/non-existent or you have to pay a lot ($20-30 a day or more!) Usually a car rental becomes competitive monetarily when you have 3 or more people travelling.  Train passes now also come in lower-price types that don’t include all 17 Eurail countries (e.g. Europass for 5 countries + additional zones available as add-on).  If you travel as a pair, you can also get Saverpass that can svae you even more.  Look up www.eurail.com for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous?

Only if you travel 1st class on premium trains and buy your tickets at the station for each trip is car travel going to begin to cost the same. Do you know how much gas costs in Europe? Parking is also a MAJOR problem in just about any city you’re interested in, whereas train stations tend to be clase to city centers and have bus stop complexes in the immediate vicinity, to say nothing of taxis. And sightseeing while driving can be dangerous as well. — Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar) Erilar’s Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

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Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

It depends on where you want to go and your style of travel — but as a couple we always rent a car when out in the countryside and shuck it when going into cities like Paris or Rome for a week or so — train passes for adults are very expensive and we find the car to be competitive

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We just returned from a three week driving tour of five countries in Central Europe.  Set it up through www.driveeurope.com and it was a great trip.  We had the car for two weeks and traveled via hydrofoil and trains for the last week.  I have to say that the car was worthless in the major cities.  A real hassle, in retrospect we probably would have been better off using the trains, but then again we would have missed a lot of small towns which we really enjoyed.  I guess it is really about what you want to do and should not be an economic decision. Ed in Las Vegas

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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I agree with previous posts in that it depends on what type of travelling that you will be doing.  Travellers who will mainly be visiting major cities are better off on a train, but a car is way better for the countryside. Pat.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are planning a 6 week trip, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Holland.  We had intended on getting a pair of train passes, but someone recommended renting a car, claiming it would be comparable in price.  Of course I would like the added flexibility of having our own car, but is it really economically advantageous? Thanks,         Brian

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legitimate third-party car rental insurance?

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe?

If you go through www.holidayautos.co.uk they will cover all the extra insurance in the price. When you turn up at alamo, national or whoever you can just reject everything they offer you. If you do end up having to pay out you can claim it back from holiday autos. Mark

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The Oik schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted ut  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe. not so – this why I scream caution. Its *possible* to rent on ‘hirers insurance’ – which means NO cover from the rental company: you sign a disclaimer and drive away. Not common, I’ll grant you, but possible. PLEASE don’t it! Everything else is an option (but bear in mind that you might get the price of a replacement car dumped on your credit card). My concern is 3rd party cover, and the grief that will come why the nice men with blue lights ask questions.

Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay. Tom Germany — Note: the sender’s address which is displayed in the header may be different from the real address.  To reply, please be sure to mail "tandp at freenet dot de"

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My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.  Caution:  Not all AMEX cards provide this coverage, so it’s best to check.  JOHN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.  Caution:  Not all AMEX cards provide this coverage, so it’s best to check.  JOHN I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

However I believe Amex Canada is not primary.  DC is and it’s for up to 45 days, while AFAIR Amex is shorter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped pre-amble Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay. how about everyone is right in parts? I agree that in some states (of EU) cars are insured, by default. But I dont think that means *anyone* can drive a hire car – hence the charges for extra drivers ‘on the paperwork’. I wouldn’t want to explain to a German cop why I was driving a hire car that didn’t have me listed on the hire agreement (a point, not the case in this discussion). By the same token, in some places you can hire ‘with own insurance’ – I’m sure the hire companies have contingency cover, but again, not something I want argue with a cop about. UK? Well, yes, drivers are insured (normally) but its a common misbelief that ALL policies cover the driver in another car. Most, not all. Agree totally about police interest in CDW, but they will be interested if the cover extends to another vehicle (beyond personal injury).

I don’t think this has anything to do with insurance.  Private contractual matter between you and the rental car company.  Just an excuse to grab more money from you, basically. In all countries requiring the green insurance "card," it’s always included in the rental. And additionally, my credit card provides CDW for up to 45 days.  Never had a chance to use it, but I have collected from them on other stuff such as flight delays or luggage delays with no problem.

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And additionally, my credit card provides CDW for up to 45 days.  Never had a chance to use it, but I have collected from them on other stuff such as flight delays or luggage delays with no problem.

out of serious interest (because it would save me a fortune), would that cover central Europe, ie AU car taken east?? It might be enough to make me get (yet another) credit card, or at least scream at Amex about why its not already on there.

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Thanks to everyone who replied.  I ended up renting (hiring?) a car from priceline.co.uk.  Cost was 105 pounds for a Focus/other compact with unlimited mileage, CDW, VAT, etc included.  Beat the other deals I was looking at by a wide margin. Trevor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.

In the U.S., Visa offers worldwide rental card coverage to Gold and higher card members (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/cards/visa_gold_terms.html). MasterCard offers something similar.  It’s secondary coverage in the U.S., primary elsewhere. Offerings in other countries vary; a quick look didn’t show rental insurance on Canadian Visa cards. — John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only. In the U.S., Visa offers worldwide rental card coverage to Gold and higher card members (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/cards/visa_gold_terms.html). MasterCard offers something similar.  It’s secondary coverage in the U.S., primary elsewhere. Offerings in other countries vary; a quick look didn’t show rental insurance on Canadian Visa cards. — John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869

http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

Royal Bank Visa Gold in Canada DOES provide rental car collision damage insurance (subject to reasonable conditions).

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<snipped pre-amble – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay.

how about everyone is right in parts? I agree that in some states (of EU) cars are insured, by default. But I dont think that means *anyone* can drive a hire car – hence the charges for extra drivers ‘on the paperwork’. I wouldn’t want to explain to a German cop why I was driving a hire car that didn’t have me listed on the hire agreement (a point, not the case in this discussion). By the same token, in some places you can hire ‘with own insurance’ – I’m sure the hire companies have contingency cover, but again, not something I want argue with a cop about. UK? Well, yes, drivers are insured (normally) but its a common misbelief that ALL policies cover the driver in another car. Most, not all. Agree totally about police interest in CDW, but they will be interested if the cover extends to another vehicle (beyond personal injury). I remember that bail bonds used to be advised for Spain, to get you out of the country pending property claims, which weren’t in the minimum cover – don’t know if it still applies. I am just very concerned that people dont drive uninsured and end up with trouble. I’ve almost been caught out twice in recent years: once was a corporate Hertz Gold card, where a US global agreement specified the corporation would pick up insurance – use that CDP on non-company business and be uninsured, and the other was a hire car ‘loaned’ to me after my car was rear ended. The hire company worked for the other guys insurance, and the car came with no cover at all (despite it being needed for the annual tax), with the words ‘it’ll be covered by your insurance’. Fine, except that my policy was on suspension while they worked out if the could fix the car. I full accept comment on NL and DE and wish everywhere was the same – just a shame its not. but to the main point… PAI I reckon is a waste of money – thats what travel insurance is for. CDW? depends on cost vs your personal risk profile. my final word: beware of Sixt, they have some of the biggest insurance charges I have seen!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

Driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe and in fact, you will have the insurance you need by law when you rent any car. It’s carried by the owner/rental agency. It should be obvious that any insurance you can decline, is not going to be required by law. What the rental agency is going to sell is insurance above and beyond that required by law. That includes pai, cdw, and possibly additional liability above and beyond that required by law. Check what your own policies at home cover while renting a car abroad. — Food/Wine/Travel website with a French focus <http://www.worldtable.com Paris, July 2001 <http://www.worldtable.com/reports/paris.jul.2001.html France/food – eGullet <http://www.egullet.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi

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If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’.

Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions.

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If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions.

sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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For insurance, $17.90/day for "CDW" for an intermediate (Vectra was their example).  The rate for the car itself was $166/week. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam… What have they quoted  you for what group of car? –==++AJC++==–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe.

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

What have they quoted  you for what group of car? –==++AJC++==–

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BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

Yes it does matter. Alamo is very sneaky about insurance, their policy is to do their utmost to ‘persuade’ you that you must buy their insurance and all the coverages. The staff are instructed to push this even to the point of downright lying. Truth is if you have any kind of decent coverage on your own car, it will most likely cover the rental. Or you can buy an extension from your insurer in most cases. Many credit cards also provide rental insurance these days, but check whether it’s primary (which you want) or secondary (pretty much useless). Of course if you have a bad driving record then all the foregoing is probably not applicable. Take a copy of your coverage or credit card agreement with you, because Alamo will *still* try to tell you your insurance doesn’t cover *their* rentals. Nonsense. Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted ut  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe.

not so – this why I scream caution. Its *possible* to rent on ‘hirers insurance’ – which means NO cover from the rental company: you sign a disclaimer and drive away. Not common, I’ll grant you, but possible. PLEASE don’t it! Everything else is an option (but bear in mind that you might get the price of a replacement car dumped on your credit card). My concern is 3rd party cover, and the grief that will come why the nice men with blue lights ask questions.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam… Yes it does matter. Alamo is very sneaky about insurance, their policy is to do their utmost to ‘persuade’ you that you must buy their insurance and all the coverages. The staff are instructed to push this even to the point of downright lying. Truth is if you have any kind of decent coverage on your own car, it will most likely cover the rental. Or you can buy an extension from your insurer in most cases. Many credit cards also provide rental insurance these days, but check whether it’s primary (which you want) or secondary (pretty much useless). Of course if you have a bad driving record then all the foregoing is probably not applicable. Take a copy of your coverage or credit card agreement with you, because Alamo will *still* try to tell you your insurance doesn’t cover *their* rentals. Nonsense. Brian

Please be careful with this kind of thing: my UK insurance covers ‘cars not owned by me’ and by law (EU) MUST cover me legally in all EU countries, but I wouldn’t dream of relying on it for a hire car in NL (or other EU country). If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. If you to take out CDW, PAI, personal effects etc its you choice. Personally, I buy the legal stuff plus CDW and don’t bother with the rest. maybe you should shop around for a better ‘fully costed’ package?

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe?

If you go through www.holidayautos.co.uk they will cover all the extra insurance in the price. When you turn up at alamo, national or whoever you can just reject everything they offer you. If you do end up having to pay out you can claim it back from holiday autos. Mark

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The Oik schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted ut  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe. not so – this why I scream caution. Its *possible* to rent on ‘hirers insurance’ – which means NO cover from the rental company: you sign a disclaimer and drive away. Not common, I’ll grant you, but possible. PLEASE don’t it! Everything else is an option (but bear in mind that you might get the price of a replacement car dumped on your credit card). My concern is 3rd party cover, and the grief that will come why the nice men with blue lights ask questions.

Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay. Tom Germany — Note: the sender’s address which is displayed in the header may be different from the real address.  To reply, please be sure to mail "tandp at freenet dot de"

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My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.  Caution:  Not all AMEX cards provide this coverage, so it’s best to check.  JOHN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.  Caution:  Not all AMEX cards provide this coverage, so it’s best to check.  JOHN I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

However I believe Amex Canada is not primary.  DC is and it’s for up to 45 days, while AFAIR Amex is shorter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped pre-amble Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay. how about everyone is right in parts? I agree that in some states (of EU) cars are insured, by default. But I dont think that means *anyone* can drive a hire car – hence the charges for extra drivers ‘on the paperwork’. I wouldn’t want to explain to a German cop why I was driving a hire car that didn’t have me listed on the hire agreement (a point, not the case in this discussion). By the same token, in some places you can hire ‘with own insurance’ – I’m sure the hire companies have contingency cover, but again, not something I want argue with a cop about. UK? Well, yes, drivers are insured (normally) but its a common misbelief that ALL policies cover the driver in another car. Most, not all. Agree totally about police interest in CDW, but they will be interested if the cover extends to another vehicle (beyond personal injury).

I don’t think this has anything to do with insurance.  Private contractual matter between you and the rental car company.  Just an excuse to grab more money from you, basically. In all countries requiring the green insurance "card," it’s always included in the rental. And additionally, my credit card provides CDW for up to 45 days.  Never had a chance to use it, but I have collected from them on other stuff such as flight delays or luggage delays with no problem.

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And additionally, my credit card provides CDW for up to 45 days.  Never had a chance to use it, but I have collected from them on other stuff such as flight delays or luggage delays with no problem.

out of serious interest (because it would save me a fortune), would that cover central Europe, ie AU car taken east?? It might be enough to make me get (yet another) credit card, or at least scream at Amex about why its not already on there.

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Thanks to everyone who replied.  I ended up renting (hiring?) a car from priceline.co.uk.  Cost was 105 pounds for a Focus/other compact with unlimited mileage, CDW, VAT, etc included.  Beat the other deals I was looking at by a wide margin. Trevor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only.

In the U.S., Visa offers worldwide rental card coverage to Gold and higher card members (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/cards/visa_gold_terms.html). MasterCard offers something similar.  It’s secondary coverage in the U.S., primary elsewhere. Offerings in other countries vary; a quick look didn’t show rental insurance on Canadian Visa cards. — John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My AMEX card (Canada Corporate) provides rental car insurance coverage worldwide and is the main reason I keep this card.  Other c/c companies restrict coverage to US and Canada only. In the U.S., Visa offers worldwide rental card coverage to Gold and higher card members (http://www.usa.visa.com/personal/cards/visa_gold_terms.html). MasterCard offers something similar.  It’s secondary coverage in the U.S., primary elsewhere. Offerings in other countries vary; a quick look didn’t show rental insurance on Canadian Visa cards. — John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869

http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

Royal Bank Visa Gold in Canada DOES provide rental car collision damage insurance (subject to reasonable conditions).

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<snipped pre-amble – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, but Devil is right. The car cannot be registered in NL or Germany without the owner (ie the rental company) having 3rd party liability insurance, so there is no choice here about paying for it or not.  Anybody with a valid license can drive the car. If they cause an accident, the owner’s insurance pays the cost of the damages to the 3rd party. In the UK, the 3rd party insurance situation is somewhat different – if you have 3rd party insurance for a car which you own, this insurance also covers the risk when you drive a car not belonging to you. Note that the UK and most European countries have different legal concepts about 3rd party insurance. In the UK, the driver is insured, whereas in some (all?) European coutnries, the car is insured. The original question is confusing because although he asks about 3rd party liablity in the subject line, what he apparently wants is a CDW coverage. BTW the police are not likely to be interested whether you have CDW insurance or not.  If you damage a rental car, and you are at fault, then recovering the cost is a matter between you and the rental car company. If somebody else is at fault, then their 3rd party insurance has to pay.

how about everyone is right in parts? I agree that in some states (of EU) cars are insured, by default. But I dont think that means *anyone* can drive a hire car – hence the charges for extra drivers ‘on the paperwork’. I wouldn’t want to explain to a German cop why I was driving a hire car that didn’t have me listed on the hire agreement (a point, not the case in this discussion). By the same token, in some places you can hire ‘with own insurance’ – I’m sure the hire companies have contingency cover, but again, not something I want argue with a cop about. UK? Well, yes, drivers are insured (normally) but its a common misbelief that ALL policies cover the driver in another car. Most, not all. Agree totally about police interest in CDW, but they will be interested if the cover extends to another vehicle (beyond personal injury). I remember that bail bonds used to be advised for Spain, to get you out of the country pending property claims, which weren’t in the minimum cover – don’t know if it still applies. I am just very concerned that people dont drive uninsured and end up with trouble. I’ve almost been caught out twice in recent years: once was a corporate Hertz Gold card, where a US global agreement specified the corporation would pick up insurance – use that CDP on non-company business and be uninsured, and the other was a hire car ‘loaned’ to me after my car was rear ended. The hire company worked for the other guys insurance, and the car came with no cover at all (despite it being needed for the annual tax), with the words ‘it’ll be covered by your insurance’. Fine, except that my policy was on suspension while they worked out if the could fix the car. I full accept comment on NL and DE and wish everywhere was the same – just a shame its not. but to the main point… PAI I reckon is a waste of money – thats what travel insurance is for. CDW? depends on cost vs your personal risk profile. my final word: beware of Sixt, they have some of the biggest insurance charges I have seen!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

Driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe and in fact, you will have the insurance you need by law when you rent any car. It’s carried by the owner/rental agency. It should be obvious that any insurance you can decline, is not going to be required by law. What the rental agency is going to sell is insurance above and beyond that required by law. That includes pai, cdw, and possibly additional liability above and beyond that required by law. Check what your own policies at home cover while renting a car abroad. — Food/Wine/Travel website with a French focus <http://www.worldtable.com Paris, July 2001 <http://www.worldtable.com/reports/paris.jul.2001.html France/food – eGullet <http://www.egullet.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi

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If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’.

Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions.

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If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions.

sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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For insurance, $17.90/day for "CDW" for an intermediate (Vectra was their example).  The rate for the car itself was $166/week. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam… What have they quoted  you for what group of car? –==++AJC++==–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted out  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally

That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe.

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

What have they quoted  you for what group of car? –==++AJC++==–

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BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

Yes it does matter. Alamo is very sneaky about insurance, their policy is to do their utmost to ‘persuade’ you that you must buy their insurance and all the coverages. The staff are instructed to push this even to the point of downright lying. Truth is if you have any kind of decent coverage on your own car, it will most likely cover the rental. Or you can buy an extension from your insurer in most cases. Many credit cards also provide rental insurance these days, but check whether it’s primary (which you want) or secondary (pretty much useless). Of course if you have a bad driving record then all the foregoing is probably not applicable. Take a copy of your coverage or credit card agreement with you, because Alamo will *still* try to tell you your insurance doesn’t cover *their* rentals. Nonsense. Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. Nothing to do with *car* insurance which covers damage to the car and third party liability. It does not absolve you from incarceration or punishment for driving infractions. sorry? what I meant is that even if are ‘covered’ by a US insurance, it may take a little while to ‘convince’ the cops – if the don’t think your insurance is valid, they wont let you go anywhere while its sorted ut  - driving without insurance is regarding very seriously in Europe – I wasn’t suggest any offence beyond not having insurance ‘understood’ locally That has nothing to do with CDW etc.  Actually legally required third party liability is *always* included in the basic rental price in Europe.

not so – this why I scream caution. Its *possible* to rent on ‘hirers insurance’ – which means NO cover from the rental company: you sign a disclaimer and drive away. Not common, I’ll grant you, but possible. PLEASE don’t it! Everything else is an option (but bear in mind that you might get the price of a replacement car dumped on your credit card). My concern is 3rd party cover, and the grief that will come why the nice men with blue lights ask questions.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam… Yes it does matter. Alamo is very sneaky about insurance, their policy is to do their utmost to ‘persuade’ you that you must buy their insurance and all the coverages. The staff are instructed to push this even to the point of downright lying. Truth is if you have any kind of decent coverage on your own car, it will most likely cover the rental. Or you can buy an extension from your insurer in most cases. Many credit cards also provide rental insurance these days, but check whether it’s primary (which you want) or secondary (pretty much useless). Of course if you have a bad driving record then all the foregoing is probably not applicable. Take a copy of your coverage or credit card agreement with you, because Alamo will *still* try to tell you your insurance doesn’t cover *their* rentals. Nonsense. Brian

Please be careful with this kind of thing: my UK insurance covers ‘cars not owned by me’ and by law (EU) MUST cover me legally in all EU countries, but I wouldn’t dream of relying on it for a hire car in NL (or other EU country). If you get a bad pull, or worse, an accident you may (I say MAY but is it worth it) end up in the slammer until its ’sorted’. If you to take out CDW, PAI, personal effects etc its you choice. Personally, I buy the legal stuff plus CDW and don’t bother with the rest. maybe you should shop around for a better ‘fully costed’ package?

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I’m going on a two-week trip to Holland and Germany, and’ll be renting a car for about a week of that time.  Insurance from the rental firm seems very expensive.  Does anyone know of a reliable company that provides car-rental insurance for rentals in Europe? Tanks, Trevor BTW if it matters I’m renting from Alamo in Amsterdam…

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Bicycle Hire in Nice – Late Jan early Feb

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Hi, Does anybody know of a good place to rent a good quality bike, either mountain or road in or around Nice?? Any recommendations are appreciated. Many thanks Phil

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Does anybody know of a good place to rent a good quality bike, either mountain or road in or around Nice??

I took the two dealers below from http://www.cycles-lapierre.fr/web/pag/dtllants.htm I suggest you ring them up and ask if they hire, or know someone that does. ALTICOOP 06100 NICE – T

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Try www.croguide.com   my wife and I are a trip to Croatia next year. We will fly  to Munich, then take the train to Zagreb stopping at Lake Bled in Slovenia for a few days. When we get to Zagreb we will  take a cheap flight to Dubrovnik. From there we will take ferry boats to various islands ending up in Split. From Split we will take another cheap flight back to Zagreb,then an 8 hr. train ride back to Munich.    Flying into Munich is the cheapest way for us and we like the train. Hope this helps . Best Regards, Rick

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We are starting in Greece, then to Dubrovnik, Zadar and ending in Zagreb.  Then to Amsterdam to fly back to the states.  We were going to train to Munich to connect by air  back to Amsterdam, but our time frame put us right in the middle of Oktoberfest.  So we will overnight train from Zagreb to Venice, have about 24 hrs in Venice and fly on to our Amsterdam connection.  Except for about 2 days of car rental to see some familial villages near Zagreb, we will use busses, trains, ferries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try www.croguide.com  my wife and I are a trip to Croatia next year. We will fly  to Munich, then take the train to Zagreb stopping at Lake Bled in Slovenia for a few days. When we get to Zagreb we will  take a cheap flight to Dubrovnik. From there we will take ferry boats to various islands ending up in Split. From Split we will take another cheap flight back to Zagreb,then an 8 hr. train ride back to Munich.   Flying into Munich is the cheapest way for us and we like the train. Hope this helps . Best Regards, Rick

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Try the gelatti with the fire on it . I have tried such icecream once and it’s flavour is still in my mouth. Hope everything will finish as good and fast travel. Cheers

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, just read about the new border closing at Alb-Mace and renewed hostilities. The plan is the "Superfast" Patras to Bari (15.5 hrs, 6pm (18:00) to 8:30 am, getting a sleeper for the night). Then whatever we can find from Bari to Dubrovnik (probably leaving late in the day) The plane thing I found was at: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/dubrovnik2/html/body_airline_services.html It LOOKS like Friday-Sunday there is a departure from Bari at 22:00 arriving Dub at 22:40 for 220,000 lire.  Unless I am totally misreading this, that looks like a 40 minute flight.  I have directly emailed the agency shown to get more details, and if so to book tickets. So, I hope we can stow our bags in lockers at the port or airport, spend the day checking out Bari (ah, Italian gelati here I come), and hop a short flight that night.  If not, we’ll figure out a boat connection.  I have ridden a hydrofoil from here (Seattle) to British Columbia – it is not my favorite way to travel – but it does save time over regular boats. Thanks for your input!

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Yes, just read about the new border closing at Alb-Mace and renewed hostilities.   The plan is the "Superfast" Patras to Bari (15.5 hrs, 6pm (18:00) to 8:30 am, getting a sleeper for the night). Then whatever we can find from Bari to Dubrovnik (probably leaving late in the day) The plane thing I found was at: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/dubrovnik2/html/body_airline_services.html It LOOKS like Friday-Sunday there is a departure from Bari at 22:00 arriving Dub at 22:40 for 220,000 lire.  Unless I am totally misreading this, that looks like a 40 minute flight.  I have directly emailed the agency shown to get more details, and if so to book tickets. So, I hope we can stow our bags in lockers at the port or airport, spend the day checking out Bari (ah, Italian gelati here I come), and hop a short flight that night.  If not, we’ll figure out a boat connection.  I have ridden a hydrofoil from here (Seattle) to British Columbia – it is not my favorite way to travel – but it does save time over regular boats. Thanks for your input! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Definitely don’t go through Albania or Macedonia because these last day I have heard that some things had happened at the Macedonia -Kosovo(YU) border. So it is safe to go arround. I have mentioned the hidrofoil if you know what I mean and it takes around 4 hours Bari to Dubrovnik and you do not feel the waves if there are some! Have a good travel and if you need anything just ask! I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Definitely don’t go through Albania or Macedonia because these last day I have heard that some things had happened at the Macedonia -Kosovo(YU) border. So it is safe to go arround. I have mentioned the hidrofoil if you know what I mean and it takes around 4 hours Bari to Dubrovnik and you do not feel the waves if there are some! Have a good travel and if you need anything just ask!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)

http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Me again, there could be and hidrofoil option from Atlas agency , Bari to Dubrovnik!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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try this link:  http://www.geocities.com/ston_der/ — [reLikt]

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It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…     Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).     You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?"  And lastly The -fastest- way to get there is to fly from Zagreb.  (Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone, but Dubrovnik still has an airport, right?)  From the airport, take the shuttle into the old town. Upon stepping from the bus, you will be literally accosted by a frenzied (but friendly!) mob offering you cheap lodging.  They will call out "Zimmer!" or "camera!" or "sobe!" or "rooms!"  You can accept or decline their offers.  (We accepted and stayed in a small, clean, neatly furnished room for a very reasonable price.) Enjoy!  It’s a lovely city with charm, culture… Anka    

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Hi, I’m from Dubrovnik. Pablo was really informative. I’ll suggest you stayin’ in the private appartments in the Old Town. You”ll never forget that quiet but lively part of Dubrovnik. My friend rents the appartments. You can check his site at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/1795/apartments.html You can negotiate for the price and he is fluent in English so you wouldn’t have any problems about that. I’ll suggest you to visit the Elaphiti islands and island Mljet where is an national park with two lakes and it is gorgeous place to stay. The boat to Elaphiti islands goes 3-4 times a day and to Mljet 2 times at season. Tickets are for Mljet about $3 and for E $1.5 to $2. The journey last to M around 2 hours and E are 0.5 to 1 hour , depend where you go. I wouldn’t take the offers from the womens at the ferry because you can sleep in a room that is much under a category of a good appartment or legal renting room. If you have more questions just shoot! Darko

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. You can catch flights from Zurich and Rome, but like trains they all go through Zagreb.  I think the best way is to take a ferry from either Ancona or Bari, Italy.  I took the train from Verona to Bari, then took the overnight ferry direct to Dubrovnik.  It’s not the easiest city to get to.  More info: http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm http://www.sem.hr/english.html  I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there? Well, I kinda like the comfort of Hotels on long trips.  I stayed at the Hotel Kompas, very affordable, right on the sea, I’d highly recommend it.  But if you want Pensione-style accomodations, there will be women at the ferry port and bus terminal.  If you have a backpack or luggage, they will approach you offering rooms in their homes.  You can find more information on accomodations and transportation here: http://www.htz.hr/home.htm http://www.geocities.com/dubrovnik_croatia/ And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. Pretty much everything you want to see is within the old town walls. It’s well worth it to walk the entire length of the walls, but do it early in the day.  There’s also a local market near the ferry terminal, a good place to meet locals and get a feel for the town. You can also take quick boat trips to the island of Lorkum or the small coastal town of Cavtat. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. Here’s some more links: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/index.shtml http://ctirs.iii.hr/GB/gradovi/20000.asp A great book with lots of good information about Dubrovnik and the entire Dalmation Coast is Nelles Guide Croatia, Adriatic Coast.  It’s got great photos as well.  ISBN# 3-88618-121-9.  I believe it’s available through Amazon.com. Lastly, here’s my photos of Dubrovnik if you’re interested: http://community.webshots.com/album/9270564VLFlUPYiOG Enjoy your trip. Paul C.

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel?

Oh, go by plane.  Petya once took the train from Washington to Dubrovnik and she found the going rather tedious.  :-)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable.

You can catch flights from Zurich and Rome, but like trains they all go through Zagreb.  I think the best way is to take a ferry from either Ancona or Bari, Italy.  I took the train from Verona to Bari, then took the overnight ferry direct to Dubrovnik.  It’s not the easiest city to get to.  More info: http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm http://www.sem.hr/english.html  I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?

Well, I kinda like the comfort of Hotels on long trips.  I stayed at the Hotel Kompas, very affordable, right on the sea, I’d highly recommend it.  But if you want Pensione-style accomodations, there will be women at the ferry port and bus terminal.  If you have a backpack or luggage, they will approach you offering rooms in their homes.  You can find more information on accomodations and transportation here: http://www.htz.hr/home.htm http://www.geocities.com/dubrovnik_croatia/ And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things.

Pretty much everything you want to see is within the old town walls. It’s well worth it to walk the entire length of the walls, but do it early in the day.  There’s also a local market near the ferry terminal, a good place to meet locals and get a feel for the town. You can also take quick boat trips to the island of Lorkum or the small coastal town of Cavtat. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web.

Here’s some more links: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/index.shtml http://ctirs.iii.hr/GB/gradovi/20000.asp A great book with lots of good information about Dubrovnik and the entire Dalmation Coast is Nelles Guide Croatia, Adriatic Coast.  It’s got great photos as well.  ISBN# 3-88618-121-9.  I believe it’s available through Amazon.com. Lastly, here’s my photos of Dubrovnik if you’re interested: http://community.webshots.com/album/9270564VLFlUPYiOG Enjoy your trip. Paul C.

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Maybe you can find some useful informations on our site. Visit us! http://www.dubrovnik-area.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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Hi, here is the YH tel number and address: V.Sagrestana 3 (in "Bourbon Street") +385 (0)20 423-241 fax 412-592 You have a shuttle bus from the airpost and it cost you 5 or 8 DEM and it comes to the main bus station near the harbour. The YH is 10 minutes by foot from there. The YH is quite OK. The Dubrovnik is nice place for a start. Try visit island Korcula and Mljet then check out Split and islands Brac and Hvar too.In Dubrovnik you have new discoteque Divinae Follie , great place for a night to spend.Have a  nice time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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Hi, here is the YH tel number and address: V.Sagrestana 3 (in "Bourbon Street") +385 (0)20 423-241 fax 412-592 You have a shuttle bus from the airpost and it cost you 5 or 8 DEM and it comes to the main bus station near the harbour. The YH is 10 minutes by foot from there. The YH is quite OK. The Dubrovnik is nice place for a start. Try visit island Korcula and Mljet then check out Split and islands Brac and Hvar too.In Dubrovnik you have new discoteque Divinae Follie , great place for a night to spend.Have a  nice time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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Maybe you can find some useful informations on our site. Visit us! http://www.dubrovnik-area.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, I’m going to Dubrovnik at the end of this month. Currently I only ave flight tickets and no accomodation yet. I am planning to move around in Croatia (Southern area). Has anyone expirience with this area ? How is the YH in Dubrovnik ? Is it crowdy ?Clean ? Expensive ? How to get from the airport to the city centre ? All ideas about Dubrovnik and the south of Croatia (daytrips) are welcome. Budget travel only please Dimi

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel?

Oh, go by plane.  Petya once took the train from Washington to Dubrovnik and she found the going rather tedious.  :-)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable.

You can catch flights from Zurich and Rome, but like trains they all go through Zagreb.  I think the best way is to take a ferry from either Ancona or Bari, Italy.  I took the train from Verona to Bari, then took the overnight ferry direct to Dubrovnik.  It’s not the easiest city to get to.  More info: http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm http://www.sem.hr/english.html  I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?

Well, I kinda like the comfort of Hotels on long trips.  I stayed at the Hotel Kompas, very affordable, right on the sea, I’d highly recommend it.  But if you want Pensione-style accomodations, there will be women at the ferry port and bus terminal.  If you have a backpack or luggage, they will approach you offering rooms in their homes.  You can find more information on accomodations and transportation here: http://www.htz.hr/home.htm http://www.geocities.com/dubrovnik_croatia/ And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things.

Pretty much everything you want to see is within the old town walls. It’s well worth it to walk the entire length of the walls, but do it early in the day.  There’s also a local market near the ferry terminal, a good place to meet locals and get a feel for the town. You can also take quick boat trips to the island of Lorkum or the small coastal town of Cavtat. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web.

Here’s some more links: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/index.shtml http://ctirs.iii.hr/GB/gradovi/20000.asp A great book with lots of good information about Dubrovnik and the entire Dalmation Coast is Nelles Guide Croatia, Adriatic Coast.  It’s got great photos as well.  ISBN# 3-88618-121-9.  I believe it’s available through Amazon.com. Lastly, here’s my photos of Dubrovnik if you’re interested: http://community.webshots.com/album/9270564VLFlUPYiOG Enjoy your trip. Paul C.

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Hi, I’m from Dubrovnik. Pablo was really informative. I’ll suggest you stayin’ in the private appartments in the Old Town. You”ll never forget that quiet but lively part of Dubrovnik. My friend rents the appartments. You can check his site at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/1795/apartments.html You can negotiate for the price and he is fluent in English so you wouldn’t have any problems about that. I’ll suggest you to visit the Elaphiti islands and island Mljet where is an national park with two lakes and it is gorgeous place to stay. The boat to Elaphiti islands goes 3-4 times a day and to Mljet 2 times at season. Tickets are for Mljet about $3 and for E $1.5 to $2. The journey last to M around 2 hours and E are 0.5 to 1 hour , depend where you go. I wouldn’t take the offers from the womens at the ferry because you can sleep in a room that is much under a category of a good appartment or legal renting room. If you have more questions just shoot! Darko

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. You can catch flights from Zurich and Rome, but like trains they all go through Zagreb.  I think the best way is to take a ferry from either Ancona or Bari, Italy.  I took the train from Verona to Bari, then took the overnight ferry direct to Dubrovnik.  It’s not the easiest city to get to.  More info: http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm http://www.sem.hr/english.html  I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there? Well, I kinda like the comfort of Hotels on long trips.  I stayed at the Hotel Kompas, very affordable, right on the sea, I’d highly recommend it.  But if you want Pensione-style accomodations, there will be women at the ferry port and bus terminal.  If you have a backpack or luggage, they will approach you offering rooms in their homes.  You can find more information on accomodations and transportation here: http://www.htz.hr/home.htm http://www.geocities.com/dubrovnik_croatia/ And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. Pretty much everything you want to see is within the old town walls. It’s well worth it to walk the entire length of the walls, but do it early in the day.  There’s also a local market near the ferry terminal, a good place to meet locals and get a feel for the town. You can also take quick boat trips to the island of Lorkum or the small coastal town of Cavtat. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. Here’s some more links: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/index.shtml http://ctirs.iii.hr/GB/gradovi/20000.asp A great book with lots of good information about Dubrovnik and the entire Dalmation Coast is Nelles Guide Croatia, Adriatic Coast.  It’s got great photos as well.  ISBN# 3-88618-121-9.  I believe it’s available through Amazon.com. Lastly, here’s my photos of Dubrovnik if you’re interested: http://community.webshots.com/album/9270564VLFlUPYiOG Enjoy your trip. Paul C.

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acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?"  And lastly The -fastest- way to get there is to fly from Zagreb.  (Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone, but Dubrovnik still has an airport, right?)  From the airport, take the shuttle into the old town. Upon stepping from the bus, you will be literally accosted by a frenzied (but friendly!) mob offering you cheap lodging.  They will call out "Zimmer!" or "camera!" or "sobe!" or "rooms!"  You can accept or decline their offers.  (We accepted and stayed in a small, clean, neatly furnished room for a very reasonable price.) Enjoy!  It’s a lovely city with charm, culture… Anka    

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try this link:  http://www.geocities.com/ston_der/ — [reLikt]

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It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…     Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).     You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Me again, there could be and hidrofoil option from Atlas agency , Bari to Dubrovnik!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

Response:

Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385  20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)  http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

Response:

Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry)

http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

Response:

I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are  exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

Response:

Definitely don’t go through Albania or Macedonia because these last day I have heard that some things had happened at the Macedonia -Kosovo(YU) border. So it is safe to go arround. I have mentioned the hidrofoil if you know what I mean and it takes around 4 hours Bari to Dubrovnik and you do not feel the waves if there are some! Have a good travel and if you need anything just ask!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Yes, just read about the new border closing at Alb-Mace and renewed hostilities.   The plan is the "Superfast" Patras to Bari (15.5 hrs, 6pm (18:00) to 8:30 am, getting a sleeper for the night). Then whatever we can find from Bari to Dubrovnik (probably leaving late in the day) The plane thing I found was at: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/dubrovnik2/html/body_airline_services.html It LOOKS like Friday-Sunday there is a departure from Bari at 22:00 arriving Dub at 22:40 for 220,000 lire.  Unless I am totally misreading this, that looks like a 40 minute flight.  I have directly emailed the agency shown to get more details, and if so to book tickets. So, I hope we can stow our bags in lockers at the port or airport, spend the day checking out Bari (ah, Italian gelati here I come), and hop a short flight that night.  If not, we’ll figure out a boat connection.  I have ridden a hydrofoil from here (Seattle) to British Columbia – it is not my favorite way to travel – but it does save time over regular boats. Thanks for your input! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Definitely don’t go through Albania or Macedonia because these last day I have heard that some things had happened at the Macedonia -Kosovo(YU) border. So it is safe to go arround. I have mentioned the hidrofoil if you know what I mean and it takes around 4 hours Bari to Dubrovnik and you do not feel the waves if there are some! Have a good travel and if you need anything just ask! I’ve checked them all.  No, they don’t.  I see maps on some shipping line sites showing a route line from Igoumenitsa to Dubrovnik, but when you go to the actual timetables, there is no such connection.  We could get to Igoumenitsa from Patras.  Guess we still need to go via Bari.  If I keep running into dead-ends on the net, I will call my travel agent and see what she can find out.  I am in contact with a Greek travel agency as well via email, and will probably email the lines directly. The only other (because of our budget) alternative is overland, which we have decided against for a variety of reasons – American passports in an area not firendly to Americans, and my sister still has her (Croatian) maiden name on hers.  Passing overland through potentially hostile parts of Alabania/Yugoslavia/Serbia probably not the best idea under the circumstances. Check out for Italian Adriatica ferries they might have and line from Corfu in Greece to Dubrovnik or maybe the Jadrolinija Croatian ferries, don’t know for now. Hmmm, I thought it was a charter line.  Better get the books back from my sister, and in the meantime hit the web.  After a long boat trip from Patras, I really don;t want to spend another 10+ hours on the Adriatic, if I can be walking the walls in Croatia.  And it looks like we can’t get direct from  GR to Dubrovnik without going via IT. Never heard about it. Only international flight to Dubrovnik is from Rome as I have mentioned. There is new flight company in Croatia starting this summer but they fly only the coastala Croatia N to S and to Zagreb. Possibly in the season 6-9 mnth they will fly to Ancona ,Italy and further north to Istria from Italy. I believe I read (perhaps in Lonely Planet) that there are frequent flights between Bari and Dubrovnik, that it is about a 40 min flight. .We will be taking a boat from Patras (GR) to Bari, and are exploring the flight option.   Anyone know more about it? It’s me again You may visit local Aquarium in the Old town , check out the Duke’s palace, two monasterys Franciscan and Dominican. You should check out when the "Lindjo" a local folk dance have the performance. Go more inside the Old town and see the buildings that are not too close the main streets and you’ll experience the way people live in the Old town.  You can rent a guide at Pile in Atlas agency (+385 20 442 222) and in the same agency you can ask for a daily trips for islands, Medjugorje. If you like an active vacation check the Atlas page  http://www.riverfree.hr  there you can find such things like rafting, kayaking…    Another good agency is Gulliver travel (+385 20 419 109, 419 129). Car rentals Budget rent a car (+385 20 418 998) , HERTZ rent a car (+385 20 425 000) and all additional info you can get at TIC (tourist info centre) at the begining of Stradun (main street in the Old town). There you can ask for private accomodation too (Tel: +385 20 426 354). Croatia Airlines in Dubrovnik (+385 20 413 777, 413 776). They fly from Rome Tuesdays and Saturdays evening (sorry no more info because the lady at Croatia Airlines was so lazy to tell me the price and exact times, she mentioned sometihing like 20 different rates in winter and summer flights are different) The Croatia Airlines in Rome is at Via Umbria 15/I  Tel: 06 4201 2873 There are no such things like a private pensions but the hotels I would like to recomend are: Hotel Excelsior 5* , Hotel Villa Orsula 5*, Hotel Dubrovnik President 4*, Hotel Kompas 3*, Hotel Lapad 3*, Hotel Park 3*. Nice restaurants: Domino and Ragusa 2 (in the Old town), Atlas Club Nautica at Pile (entrance to the Old town).    You have Jadrolinija ferries during the season from Bari (Italy) to Dubrovnik: Saturday, Sunday and Mondays at 23:59 and Thursday at 22:00, but you should check at Jadrolinija in season for possible changes (+385 20 418 000 ). You can go from Ancona to Split and then By bus to Dubrovnik (220 km Split -Dubrovnik takes around 4 hours, not an american tipe of highway, sorry) http://www.jadrolinija.tel.hr/jadrolinija/info/english/menu.htm You have an Italian ferry line called Adriatica, don’t know their web page (possibly www.adriatica.it ). Current exchange rates US $ 8,332 Kunas For more info don’t hesitate to ask. Have a good journey! Darko I am contemplating a vacation trip to Dubrovnik in October.  My GF and I will commence our trip in Washington DC. Any suggestions on mode of travel? Trains &/or ferries are quite acceptable. I would prefer a nice Pensione/Bed&Breakfast to a Hotel–any suggestions there?  And lastly what are the MUST SEE/DO things. I have been unable to find good touristic information on the Web. thanks   tomp

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Try the gelatti with the fire on it . I have tried such icecream once and it’s flavour is still in my mouth. Hope everything will finish as good and fast travel. Cheers

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, just read about the new border closing at Alb-Mace and renewed hostilities. The plan is the "Superfast" Patras to Bari (15.5 hrs, 6pm (18:00) to 8:30 am, getting a sleeper for the night). Then whatever we can find from Bari to Dubrovnik (probably leaving late in the day) The plane thing I found was at: http://dubrovnik.laus.hr/dubrovnik2/html/body_airline_services.html It LOOKS like Friday-Sunday there is a departure from Bari at 22:00 arriving Dub at 22:40 for 220,000 lire.  Unless I am totally misreading this, that looks like a 40 minute flight.  I have directly emailed the agency shown to get more details, and if so to book tickets. So, I hope we can stow our bags in lockers at the port or airport, spend the day checking out Bari (ah, Italian gelati here I come), and hop a short flight that night.  If not, we’ll figure out a boat connection.  I have ridden a hydrofoil from here (Seattle) to British Columbia – it is not my favorite way to travel – but it does save time over regular boats. Thanks for your input!

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Try www.croguide.com   my wife and I are a trip to Croatia next year. We will fly  to Munich, then take the train to Zagreb stopping at Lake Bled in Slovenia for a few days. When we get to Zagreb we will  take a cheap flight to Dubrovnik. From there we will take ferry boats to various islands ending up in Split. From Split we will take another cheap flight back to Zagreb,then an 8 hr. train ride back to Munich.    Flying into Munich is the cheapest way for us and we like the train. Hope this helps . Best Regards, Rick

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We are starting in Greece, then to Dubrovnik, Zadar and ending in Zagreb.  Then to Amsterdam to fly back to the states.  We were going to train to Munich to connect by air  back to Amsterdam, but our time frame put us right in the middle of Oktoberfest.  So we will overnight train from Zagreb to Venice, have about 24 hrs in Venice and fly on to our Amsterdam connection.  Except for about 2 days of car rental to see some familial villages near Zagreb, we will use busses, trains, ferries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try www.croguide.com  my wife and I are a trip to Croatia next year. We will fly  to Munich, then take the train to Zagreb stopping at Lake Bled in Slovenia for a few days. When we get to Zagreb we will  take a cheap flight to Dubrovnik. From there we will take ferry boats to various islands ending up in Split. From Split we will take another cheap flight back to Zagreb,then an 8 hr. train ride back to Munich.   Flying into Munich is the cheapest way for us and we like the train. Hope this helps . Best Regards, Rick

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rental cars in amsterdam

Question:

Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

Response:

Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

If you want a car to drive around Amsterdam, don’t bother. The traffic is diabolical and parking is worse. The public transport is good and cheap; the city itself is quite compact and very safe, so walking is also a very good option – at least you actually see some of it then. Derek

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been?

Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.) OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there.   Mind you, besides the difference in rental car prices, (1) I’ll first drive to Belgium to visit relatives and (2) from here, there are direct nonstop flights to FRA, but not to AMS. (I often just rent at FRA.  This time, I am flying YYC-FRA followed by FRA-CGN, (1) to see how it works out, and (2) because although this is going to take more time that just renting a car at FRA and driving from there, it will entail less driving, while the ticket price is the same.)

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been?

I haven’t rented in the Netherlands, but I understand it’s cheaper if you make your reservation from the states, or Canada. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.)

I think it’s more than just last minute.  If you decide to rent at the last minute, you can still get a better rate, in most cases, by calling your agent in the US, even if you call from a payphone across the street from the rental office. OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there.  

I interpret that to mean it’s cheaper to arrange to pick up a car in Germany than most other European countries, but to make the reservations in North America first. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.) I think it’s more than just last minute.  If you decide to rent at the last minute, you can still get a better rate, in most cases, by calling your agent in the US, even if you call from a payphone across the street from the rental office.

Indeed.  Did you miss my "besides?"   :-) OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there. I interpret that to mean it’s cheaper to arrange to pick up a car in Germany than most other European countries, but to make the reservations in North America first.

Yes.  I actually booked myself a "standard" size (which translates into a BMW316 with Hertz Germany) at a weekly rate of 361.80 DEM.  Which with taxes etc adds up to a total of 483.38 DEM or USD 217 at today’s rate. (This is after a 10% discount from my FF.  But if it were not from the FF, I am sure there would be some other source of discount, some association or another that I am a member of, or something.) Booked on the web, which has the advantage over phone reservation that you get a printout, in case of any discrepancy.

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Booked on the web, which has the advantage over phone reservation that you get a printout, in case of any discrepancy.

*In case* of any discrepency.  I showed up at the Montreal airport with the printout of my confirmation number.  I was told it would be valid if they had any cars.  As they had no cars and did not know of another agency in the city that had any that weekend, the best they could do is drive me into the city for free.  Terrific as our destination that weekend was in the Adirondaks to visit our daughter at camp.  I will admit that we’ve had better luck in Europe than in this side of the Atlantic with car reservations.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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I have reserved from this company for a single day in June, prices are good let’s hope vechicle and service are as good. http://www.easyrentacar.com/eng/default.asp Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

Rick Garner To email replace the nospam with isomedia

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate. Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Actually, I agree with you. I wouldn’t want the car while I"m still in Amsterdam but I do want it for when I"m in Zeeland.  I do not want to borrow a cousins car for two weeks. That would be just two big an imposition. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you want a car to drive around Amsterdam, don’t bother. The traffic is diabolical and parking is worse. The public transport is good and cheap; the city itself is quite compact and very safe, so walking is also a very good option – at least you actually see some of it then. Derek

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation.

That’s true. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate.

I’m not sure of that.  My recollection is that any deals made in the US in   dollars are generally set at an artificially high rate and you’re better off accepting the regular rates which will be billed in local currency and converted by the credit card company.  I’ve found this generally true for hotel promotions and the like.  Prices guaranteed in US dollars are generally high enough to cover them for fluctuation in the exchange rates.   YMMV. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation.

So far so goog. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate.

My experience is that the quote you get is actually inlocal currency. No exchange rate locked in.   If they quote you a rate in USD it’s merely indicative.

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Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted.

I’m assuming you made the actual reservation from the states and got a confirmation number to go along with the quote, but you’re not clear about that. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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What did Avis in the US say when you complained? I have had billing problems in Europe, especially with coupons. I don’t argue with the European office, I simply call Avis when I get back to the US and they have always corrected it immediately. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted. Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

If you want a car to drive around Amsterdam, don’t bother. The traffic is diabolical and parking is worse. The public transport is good and cheap; the city itself is quite compact and very safe, so walking is also a very good option – at least you actually see some of it then. Derek

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been?

Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.) OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there.   Mind you, besides the difference in rental car prices, (1) I’ll first drive to Belgium to visit relatives and (2) from here, there are direct nonstop flights to FRA, but not to AMS. (I often just rent at FRA.  This time, I am flying YYC-FRA followed by FRA-CGN, (1) to see how it works out, and (2) because although this is going to take more time that just renting a car at FRA and driving from there, it will entail less driving, while the ticket price is the same.)

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Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been?

I haven’t rented in the Netherlands, but I understand it’s cheaper if you make your reservation from the states, or Canada. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.)

I think it’s more than just last minute.  If you decide to rent at the last minute, you can still get a better rate, in most cases, by calling your agent in the US, even if you call from a payphone across the street from the rental office. OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there.  

I interpret that to mean it’s cheaper to arrange to pick up a car in Germany than most other European countries, but to make the reservations in North America first. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Rent from the US.  No doubt. (Besides, last minute rental are *always* more expensive, and choice of vehicle type may be more limited hence also higher price.) I think it’s more than just last minute.  If you decide to rent at the last minute, you can still get a better rate, in most cases, by calling your agent in the US, even if you call from a payphone across the street from the rental office.

Indeed.  Did you miss my "besides?"   :-) OTOH, rental cars are usually cheaper in Germany.   I am leaving to Holland tonight, going to a small place not too far from Eindhoven.  I am flying to Cologne and I am getting a car there. I interpret that to mean it’s cheaper to arrange to pick up a car in Germany than most other European countries, but to make the reservations in North America first.

Yes.  I actually booked myself a "standard" size (which translates into a BMW316 with Hertz Germany) at a weekly rate of 361.80 DEM.  Which with taxes etc adds up to a total of 483.38 DEM or USD 217 at today’s rate. (This is after a 10% discount from my FF.  But if it were not from the FF, I am sure there would be some other source of discount, some association or another that I am a member of, or something.) Booked on the web, which has the advantage over phone reservation that you get a printout, in case of any discrepancy.

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Booked on the web, which has the advantage over phone reservation that you get a printout, in case of any discrepancy.

*In case* of any discrepency.  I showed up at the Montreal airport with the printout of my confirmation number.  I was told it would be valid if they had any cars.  As they had no cars and did not know of another agency in the city that had any that weekend, the best they could do is drive me into the city for free.  Terrific as our destination that weekend was in the Adirondaks to visit our daughter at camp.  I will admit that we’ve had better luck in Europe than in this side of the Atlantic with car reservations.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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I have reserved from this company for a single day in June, prices are good let’s hope vechicle and service are as good. http://www.easyrentacar.com/eng/default.asp Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

Rick Garner To email replace the nospam with isomedia

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate. Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Actually, I agree with you. I wouldn’t want the car while I"m still in Amsterdam but I do want it for when I"m in Zeeland.  I do not want to borrow a cousins car for two weeks. That would be just two big an imposition. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you want a car to drive around Amsterdam, don’t bother. The traffic is diabolical and parking is worse. The public transport is good and cheap; the city itself is quite compact and very safe, so walking is also a very good option – at least you actually see some of it then. Derek

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation.

That’s true. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate.

I’m not sure of that.  My recollection is that any deals made in the US in   dollars are generally set at an artificially high rate and you’re better off accepting the regular rates which will be billed in local currency and converted by the credit card company.  I’ve found this generally true for hotel promotions and the like.  Prices guaranteed in US dollars are generally high enough to cover them for fluctuation in the exchange rates.   YMMV. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Generally it is cheaper to reserve from the US, in my experience. However, why not reserve in the US and then, when you get there, check out the rates. Then if the rate is lower, cancel the US made reservation.

So far so goog. And… booking from the US should lock in a pretty good exchange rate.

My experience is that the quote you get is actually inlocal currency. No exchange rate locked in.   If they quote you a rate in USD it’s merely indicative.

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Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted.

I’m assuming you made the actual reservation from the states and got a confirmation number to go along with the quote, but you’re not clear about that. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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What did Avis in the US say when you complained? I have had billing problems in Europe, especially with coupons. I don’t argue with the European office, I simply call Avis when I get back to the US and they have always corrected it immediately. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, well I got the best rate on the net from avis…from the US… but when I got the bill it was tripple what they quoted… I sent a printout of the quote to the CC company and haven’t had to pay anything… though they have offered to settle it for "only" 40$us more than they quoted. Hi all, I have read conflicting information as to whether it’s cheaper to rent a car from the USA or waiting until you get to Amsterdam (assuming of course that cars would be available).  What have your experiences been? Susan

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Paris- Puces?

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Traveling to Paris in March, first time in many years.  Any comments on the flea markets at Clignacourt vs Vanves, vs?  Any other suggestions for looking for great junk, not true antiques appreciated.  JPlant Also any brilliant eating suggestions…We’re omnivores, have a great selection of ethnic exotic at home looking for good french home cooking…. TIA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a look at Jack’s pages for info on the flea markets.  I’m sure he’ll give you the same advice soon or look for his URL at the bottom of one of his numerous posts. Numerous? I hit very hard on the brakes lately, so my posts could be difficult to find among all te threads going on :-) Jack Visit my personal website where you’ll find my travel tips, hotel suggestions, and restaurant reviews for Paris, most regions of France, Belgium, Amsterdam and Venice. http://www.jack-travel.com/

What can I say?  ;-) First www.jack-travel.com is just too hard for me to remember.  And then note that I didn’t complain about the number of your posts.  Understand that they may seem numerous tome as they’re the one thing I don’t have set my filters to block.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Traveling to Paris in March, first time in many years.  Any comments on the flea markets at Clignacourt vs Vanves, vs?  Any other suggestions for looking for great junk, not true antiques appreciated.  JPlant Also any brilliant eating suggestions…We’re omnivores, have a great selection of ethnic exotic at home looking for good french home cooking…. TIA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a look at Jack’s pages for info on the flea markets.  I’m sure he’ll give you the same advice soon or look for his URL at the bottom of one of his numerous posts. Numerous? I hit very hard on the brakes lately, so my posts could be difficult to find among all te threads going on :-) Jack Visit my personal website where you’ll find my travel tips, hotel suggestions, and restaurant reviews for Paris, most regions of France, Belgium, Amsterdam and Venice. http://www.jack-travel.com/

What can I say?  ;-) First www.jack-travel.com is just too hard for me to remember.  And then note that I didn’t complain about the number of your posts.  Understand that they may seem numerous tome as they’re the one thing I don’t have set my filters to block.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Is someone in the world who doesn't like Paris ?

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. I don’t understand.  Paris is quite clean, and I haven’t noticed the smell of urine, as a general rule, so why would it appeal to persons such as you describe?

He is referring to the classy places in Paris where he takes his honey to show her how he feels about her. Bob — "Come the millennium, month 12, In the home of greatest power, the village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader." – Nostradamus, 1555

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example. Just come to San Francisco if that turns you on! BobP Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine.

I don’t understand.  Paris is quite clean, and I haven’t noticed the smell of urine, as a general rule, so why would it appeal to persons such as you describe?

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine.

And your point is? MHS

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. pete

Not worth replying to.

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A lot of Parisians don’t like Paris … or so they say. I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

And the non-parisian French like Paris to visit the museums, go shopping, but wouldn’t want to live there (I’m one of them).

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A lot of Parisians don’t like Paris … or so they say.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

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I don’t think SO !!! I don’t DISlike Paris, but I prefer Nice, Strasbourg, Colmar, Arles, Rome, Venice, Sienna, Cinque Terre, Seville, Bruges, Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Berlin, and Prague.  I might have left a few out.

There was a period when we practically went out of our way to avoid Paris during many trips to France.  For the most part, I think we did it because every one we knew who lived there had left and we didn’t want to feel like strangers there.  Nevertheless, we returned one day and I realized I had forgotten how thrilling it could be to be in Paris. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example.

I don’t like to brag, but I’ve heard people tell me they’ve seen the same in NYC.  I guess, my luck in Paris and New York just hasn’t been that good. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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That is a self imposed ban most especially as you find people speaking other languages if not proficiently but with efforts. In Alsace you could speak German and remember Strasbourg is the seat of the European parliament and try to speak English next time. http://www.weekendvisitorstoparis.com I don’t think SO !!! Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-) Never been to Paris — didn’t dare to after being linguistically unable to buy a roll in a bakery in Strassbourg. :-) inge

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I don’t think SO !!! Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-)

Never been to Paris — didn’t dare to after being linguistically unable to buy a roll in a bakery in Strassbourg. :-) inge

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I don’t think SO !!!

I don’t DISlike Paris, but I prefer Nice, Strasbourg, Colmar, Arles, Rome, Venice, Sienna, Cinque Terre, Seville, Bruges, Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Berlin, and Prague.  I might have left a few out.

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I don’t think SO !!!

I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example. Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example.

Just come to San Francisco if that turns you on! BobP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

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I don’t think SO !!!

Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-)

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I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

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I don’t think SO !!!

Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-)

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I don’t think SO !!! Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-)

Never been to Paris — didn’t dare to after being linguistically unable to buy a roll in a bakery in Strassbourg. :-) inge

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I don’t think SO !!!

I don’t DISlike Paris, but I prefer Nice, Strasbourg, Colmar, Arles, Rome, Venice, Sienna, Cinque Terre, Seville, Bruges, Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Berlin, and Prague.  I might have left a few out.

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I don’t think SO !!!

I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example. Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example.

Just come to San Francisco if that turns you on! BobP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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That is a self imposed ban most especially as you find people speaking other languages if not proficiently but with efforts. In Alsace you could speak German and remember Strasbourg is the seat of the European parliament and try to speak English next time. http://www.weekendvisitorstoparis.com I don’t think SO !!! Oh, there is indeed. I prefer London. :-) Never been to Paris — didn’t dare to after being linguistically unable to buy a roll in a bakery in Strassbourg. :-) inge

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I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example.

I don’t like to brag, but I’ve heard people tell me they’ve seen the same in NYC.  I guess, my luck in Paris and New York just hasn’t been that good. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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I don’t think SO !!! I don’t DISlike Paris, but I prefer Nice, Strasbourg, Colmar, Arles, Rome, Venice, Sienna, Cinque Terre, Seville, Bruges, Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Berlin, and Prague.  I might have left a few out.

There was a period when we practically went out of our way to avoid Paris during many trips to France.  For the most part, I think we did it because every one we knew who lived there had left and we didn’t want to feel like strangers there.  Nevertheless, we returned one day and I realized I had forgotten how thrilling it could be to be in Paris. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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A lot of Parisians don’t like Paris … or so they say.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

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A lot of Parisians don’t like Paris … or so they say. I don’t think SO !!! Chris from Paris http://perso.magic.fr/c.saintagne

And the non-parisian French like Paris to visit the museums, go shopping, but wouldn’t want to live there (I’m one of them).

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think SO !!! I think so.  I don’t like it.  I wouldn’t go back there on a dare.  Why? The usual complaints: rude people, noise and dirt, unjustified expense, etc. But I will admit that it has some very unusual amusements.  It’s the only city in the world where I’ve ever seen an adult human being defecate on the sidewalk in broad daylight, for example. Just come to San Francisco if that turns you on! BobP Well worth the price, if you enjoy that sort of thing.

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine.

I don’t understand.  Paris is quite clean, and I haven’t noticed the smell of urine, as a general rule, so why would it appeal to persons such as you describe?

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine.

And your point is? MHS

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. pete

Not worth replying to.

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paris is for those who like dirty places and pervasive smell of urine. I don’t understand.  Paris is quite clean, and I haven’t noticed the smell of urine, as a general rule, so why would it appeal to persons such as you describe?

He is referring to the classy places in Paris where he takes his honey to show her how he feels about her. Bob — "Come the millennium, month 12, In the home of greatest power, the village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader." – Nostradamus, 1555

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent.

For all my defense of travel agents and my belief that too many traveler’s bypass a useful source of help and information, *never* assume any agent knows everything and unless you’ve already had good previous experience to allay your fears don’t assume your agent knows anything.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Our stay in Paris is about 7 weeks (June 13-Aug2), well outside the 30 day limit.  We were able to get decent prices < $750 RT between SFO & CDG from a consolidator. Greg Shenaut

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Agents have to walk very tight lines in regard to tickets. Most agency owners, I was one, would prefer that our agents not get too loose with the rules for two reasons. First the debit memo from the airline if they think we did something funny, it is hard to disprove some of the violations that the airlines will pull up. Second, we have no control over changes of fees and the availability to do something once the client has left. Therefore to counsel someone about what they can do today when the rules may change or a ticket agent in another country may or may not go along only opens the doors to a dispute with a client, something none of us want to have happen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points.

I really doubt that this is a *good* sign.  It’s usually worth a few points to the consumer to be able to charge this expense rather than shell out the full price in cash with little guarantee the company will be in business the day the flight is supposed to leave. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

Check out TISS.com.  I bought a 90day stay for less than half of what a standard reservation would have been.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Consolidators aver all are the best general source. (although for tickets this summer to Europe from the us consolidators are not getting real good bargains compared to current costs, that changes radically as the time to fly approaches.) Student fares are not really all that special and usually even more restrictive than consolidator fares. When my daughter went to France for the summer two years ago we bought a consolidator fare and it was cheaper than the student fare, plus there was no pressure to buy the international student id which would not have benefited her much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares.

You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points. ward I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

Rabbi Hillel was asked to summarize Torah for a gentile.  "Love thy neighbor as thyself, the rest is commentary."

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I used 2 open-ended tickets in the past year, both LY.  The first was EWR-TLV-NYC[EWR], and cost $1,150 (I didn’t have any control over it).  The second was TLV-EWR-TLV, and cost $815.  Full fare is about 2,000.  I’m not sure what open-endeds cost now, but I’d assume about the same.  I recommend a student travel agency because they probably have more experience dealing with these than regular travel agents.  One need not be a student to purchase from a student travel agency (only certain fares.. like AC’s Z class [apex fares without apex restrictions]).  The first ticket was purchased through the agency that arranged my program, the second was purchased from a student travel agency in Jerusalem, although I could have gotten the same ticket through any other means.. the closest one to me happened to be the student one.  It’s possible that domestic open-ended tickets would be full fare, but it may not be the case internationally, which the original poster was asking about. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

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Try local consolidators, Also take a look at Ed’s page http://www.hasbrouck.org

This is an excellent suggestion! Consolidator tickets are generally more lenient in regards to maximum stay requirements. And unlike published fare tickets, consolidators often sell one-way tickets for about 60% of their highly discounted RT fares. So, for just a few extra dollars, you can get the maximum flexibility and maximum savings. –Tom To email me, remove the obvious.

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed. is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

the spouse of a teacher can also travel ‘teacher fare’  they are  more limited in availability than student fares — but they save about the same with airlines that honor them

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Try local consolidators, Also take a look at Ed’s page http://www.hasbrouck.org I’d also look to see routings via smaller gateways. What ever yu decide, please to post a summary here.  – anil CUNY/CIS, New York 10019 [for email Remove "nospam" from ReplyTo headers]

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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the airline love to stick it to folks who have special needs in travel. Long term tickets are one. generally the run arounds are as expensive as the tickets. try to round trips one from Ottawa and one from Rome with the appropriate first dates of travel. another is to figure the penalty on a change of date (sometimes works, but Continental is floating an increase in these and the overseas charge is already out of sight) Charter type airlines like, is it, Canada 3000 or Airtransat are generally less penalizing than the regular players. Sorry I don’t know the Ottawa market well enough to suggest any better.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me.

But it seems very right to the airlines for some reason. I would suggest you go through travel agencies who would be able to  find you consolidator fares which have very "loose" restrictions. You may also want to look at charter companies. You could offer their business class (which is basically equivalent to coach seats on real airlines) for a price still far less than coach on the real airline at $1600 a piece.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

Sheryl, I have seen open ended tickets from canada to australia for over one month stays. BKAP4 if I remember correctly. As a matter of fact, in the good old days of CP, the cheapest fare that allowed over 30 days did allow open ended return. (BKPAP4 as I recall). And it was nowhere near full fare. Even the 6 month fares were still significantly cheaper than Y fares. I can’t remember if they had 6-12 month fares though, but I suspect they may have because the backpackers (who are most likely to use these fares) represented a sigificant portion of travellers on the route betwene canada and australia). (this includes aussies on the dole who come skiing in BC/Banff during our winter). However, I have not checked the fares for europe.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent.

For all my defense of travel agents and my belief that too many traveler’s bypass a useful source of help and information, *never* assume any agent knows everything and unless you’ve already had good previous experience to allay your fears don’t assume your agent knows anything.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Our stay in Paris is about 7 weeks (June 13-Aug2), well outside the 30 day limit.  We were able to get decent prices < $750 RT between SFO & CDG from a consolidator. Greg Shenaut

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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the airline love to stick it to folks who have special needs in travel. Long term tickets are one. generally the run arounds are as expensive as the tickets. try to round trips one from Ottawa and one from Rome with the appropriate first dates of travel. another is to figure the penalty on a change of date (sometimes works, but Continental is floating an increase in these and the overseas charge is already out of sight) Charter type airlines like, is it, Canada 3000 or Airtransat are generally less penalizing than the regular players. Sorry I don’t know the Ottawa market well enough to suggest any better.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Agents have to walk very tight lines in regard to tickets. Most agency owners, I was one, would prefer that our agents not get too loose with the rules for two reasons. First the debit memo from the airline if they think we did something funny, it is hard to disprove some of the violations that the airlines will pull up. Second, we have no control over changes of fees and the availability to do something once the client has left. Therefore to counsel someone about what they can do today when the rules may change or a ticket agent in another country may or may not go along only opens the doors to a dispute with a client, something none of us want to have happen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed. is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

the spouse of a teacher can also travel ‘teacher fare’  they are  more limited in availability than student fares — but they save about the same with airlines that honor them

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Try local consolidators, Also take a look at Ed’s page http://www.hasbrouck.org I’d also look to see routings via smaller gateways. What ever yu decide, please to post a summary here.  – anil CUNY/CIS, New York 10019 [for email Remove "nospam" from ReplyTo headers]

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I used 2 open-ended tickets in the past year, both LY.  The first was EWR-TLV-NYC[EWR], and cost $1,150 (I didn’t have any control over it).  The second was TLV-EWR-TLV, and cost $815.  Full fare is about 2,000.  I’m not sure what open-endeds cost now, but I’d assume about the same.  I recommend a student travel agency because they probably have more experience dealing with these than regular travel agents.  One need not be a student to purchase from a student travel agency (only certain fares.. like AC’s Z class [apex fares without apex restrictions]).  The first ticket was purchased through the agency that arranged my program, the second was purchased from a student travel agency in Jerusalem, although I could have gotten the same ticket through any other means.. the closest one to me happened to be the student one.  It’s possible that domestic open-ended tickets would be full fare, but it may not be the case internationally, which the original poster was asking about. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

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stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me.

But it seems very right to the airlines for some reason. I would suggest you go through travel agencies who would be able to  find you consolidator fares which have very "loose" restrictions. You may also want to look at charter companies. You could offer their business class (which is basically equivalent to coach seats on real airlines) for a price still far less than coach on the real airline at $1600 a piece.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

Check out TISS.com.  I bought a 90day stay for less than half of what a standard reservation would have been.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares.

You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points. ward I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

Rabbi Hillel was asked to summarize Torah for a gentile.  "Love thy neighbor as thyself, the rest is commentary."

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points.

I really doubt that this is a *good* sign.  It’s usually worth a few points to the consumer to be able to charge this expense rather than shell out the full price in cash with little guarantee the company will be in business the day the flight is supposed to leave. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

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Consolidators aver all are the best general source. (although for tickets this summer to Europe from the us consolidators are not getting real good bargains compared to current costs, that changes radically as the time to fly approaches.) Student fares are not really all that special and usually even more restrictive than consolidator fares. When my daughter went to France for the summer two years ago we bought a consolidator fare and it was cheaper than the student fare, plus there was no pressure to buy the international student id which would not have benefited her much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

Sheryl, I have seen open ended tickets from canada to australia for over one month stays. BKAP4 if I remember correctly. As a matter of fact, in the good old days of CP, the cheapest fare that allowed over 30 days did allow open ended return. (BKPAP4 as I recall). And it was nowhere near full fare. Even the 6 month fares were still significantly cheaper than Y fares. I can’t remember if they had 6-12 month fares though, but I suspect they may have because the backpackers (who are most likely to use these fares) represented a sigificant portion of travellers on the route betwene canada and australia). (this includes aussies on the dole who come skiing in BC/Banff during our winter). However, I have not checked the fares for europe.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent.

For all my defense of travel agents and my belief that too many traveler’s bypass a useful source of help and information, *never* assume any agent knows everything and unless you’ve already had good previous experience to allay your fears don’t assume your agent knows anything.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Our stay in Paris is about 7 weeks (June 13-Aug2), well outside the 30 day limit.  We were able to get decent prices < $750 RT between SFO & CDG from a consolidator. Greg Shenaut

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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the airline love to stick it to folks who have special needs in travel. Long term tickets are one. generally the run arounds are as expensive as the tickets. try to round trips one from Ottawa and one from Rome with the appropriate first dates of travel. another is to figure the penalty on a change of date (sometimes works, but Continental is floating an increase in these and the overseas charge is already out of sight) Charter type airlines like, is it, Canada 3000 or Airtransat are generally less penalizing than the regular players. Sorry I don’t know the Ottawa market well enough to suggest any better.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Agents have to walk very tight lines in regard to tickets. Most agency owners, I was one, would prefer that our agents not get too loose with the rules for two reasons. First the debit memo from the airline if they think we did something funny, it is hard to disprove some of the violations that the airlines will pull up. Second, we have no control over changes of fees and the availability to do something once the client has left. Therefore to counsel someone about what they can do today when the rules may change or a ticket agent in another country may or may not go along only opens the doors to a dispute with a client, something none of us want to have happen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed. is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

the spouse of a teacher can also travel ‘teacher fare’  they are  more limited in availability than student fares — but they save about the same with airlines that honor them

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Try local consolidators, Also take a look at Ed’s page http://www.hasbrouck.org I’d also look to see routings via smaller gateways. What ever yu decide, please to post a summary here.  – anil CUNY/CIS, New York 10019 [for email Remove "nospam" from ReplyTo headers]

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I used 2 open-ended tickets in the past year, both LY.  The first was EWR-TLV-NYC[EWR], and cost $1,150 (I didn’t have any control over it).  The second was TLV-EWR-TLV, and cost $815.  Full fare is about 2,000.  I’m not sure what open-endeds cost now, but I’d assume about the same.  I recommend a student travel agency because they probably have more experience dealing with these than regular travel agents.  One need not be a student to purchase from a student travel agency (only certain fares.. like AC’s Z class [apex fares without apex restrictions]).  The first ticket was purchased through the agency that arranged my program, the second was purchased from a student travel agency in Jerusalem, although I could have gotten the same ticket through any other means.. the closest one to me happened to be the student one.  It’s possible that domestic open-ended tickets would be full fare, but it may not be the case internationally, which the original poster was asking about. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

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stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me.

But it seems very right to the airlines for some reason. I would suggest you go through travel agencies who would be able to  find you consolidator fares which have very "loose" restrictions. You may also want to look at charter companies. You could offer their business class (which is basically equivalent to coach seats on real airlines) for a price still far less than coach on the real airline at $1600 a piece.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

Check out TISS.com.  I bought a 90day stay for less than half of what a standard reservation would have been.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares.

You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points. ward I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

Rabbi Hillel was asked to summarize Torah for a gentile.  "Love thy neighbor as thyself, the rest is commentary."

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points.

I really doubt that this is a *good* sign.  It’s usually worth a few points to the consumer to be able to charge this expense rather than shell out the full price in cash with little guarantee the company will be in business the day the flight is supposed to leave. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

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Consolidators aver all are the best general source. (although for tickets this summer to Europe from the us consolidators are not getting real good bargains compared to current costs, that changes radically as the time to fly approaches.) Student fares are not really all that special and usually even more restrictive than consolidator fares. When my daughter went to France for the summer two years ago we bought a consolidator fare and it was cheaper than the student fare, plus there was no pressure to buy the international student id which would not have benefited her much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

Sheryl, I have seen open ended tickets from canada to australia for over one month stays. BKAP4 if I remember correctly. As a matter of fact, in the good old days of CP, the cheapest fare that allowed over 30 days did allow open ended return. (BKPAP4 as I recall). And it was nowhere near full fare. Even the 6 month fares were still significantly cheaper than Y fares. I can’t remember if they had 6-12 month fares though, but I suspect they may have because the backpackers (who are most likely to use these fares) represented a sigificant portion of travellers on the route betwene canada and australia). (this includes aussies on the dole who come skiing in BC/Banff during our winter). However, I have not checked the fares for europe.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look into open-ended tickets… they’re usually right around the same price as limited-stay tickets.  Student travel agencies tend to be good at that kind of stuff. Matthew :) Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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the airline love to stick it to folks who have special needs in travel. Long term tickets are one. generally the run arounds are as expensive as the tickets. try to round trips one from Ottawa and one from Rome with the appropriate first dates of travel. another is to figure the penalty on a change of date (sometimes works, but Continental is floating an increase in these and the overseas charge is already out of sight) Charter type airlines like, is it, Canada 3000 or Airtransat are generally less penalizing than the regular players. Sorry I don’t know the Ottawa market well enough to suggest any better.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me.

But it seems very right to the airlines for some reason. I would suggest you go through travel agencies who would be able to  find you consolidator fares which have very "loose" restrictions. You may also want to look at charter companies. You could offer their business class (which is basically equivalent to coach seats on real airlines) for a price still far less than coach on the real airline at $1600 a piece.

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Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

Sheryl, I have seen open ended tickets from canada to australia for over one month stays. BKAP4 if I remember correctly. As a matter of fact, in the good old days of CP, the cheapest fare that allowed over 30 days did allow open ended return. (BKPAP4 as I recall). And it was nowhere near full fare. Even the 6 month fares were still significantly cheaper than Y fares. I can’t remember if they had 6-12 month fares though, but I suspect they may have because the backpackers (who are most likely to use these fares) represented a sigificant portion of travellers on the route betwene canada and australia). (this includes aussies on the dole who come skiing in BC/Banff during our winter). However, I have not checked the fares for europe.

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed. is anyone in the group a teacher — sometimes teacher fares through student travel agencies like STA or Council allow longer stays and cheaper fares.  Of course definately try it if you have students in your group.  I got an inexpensive fare for my daughter for a semester abroad that way.

the spouse of a teacher can also travel ‘teacher fare’  they are  more limited in availability than student fares — but they save about the same with airlines that honor them

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Try local consolidators, Also take a look at Ed’s page http://www.hasbrouck.org I’d also look to see routings via smaller gateways. What ever yu decide, please to post a summary here.  – anil CUNY/CIS, New York 10019 [for email Remove "nospam" from ReplyTo headers]

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I used 2 open-ended tickets in the past year, both LY.  The first was EWR-TLV-NYC[EWR], and cost $1,150 (I didn’t have any control over it).  The second was TLV-EWR-TLV, and cost $815.  Full fare is about 2,000.  I’m not sure what open-endeds cost now, but I’d assume about the same.  I recommend a student travel agency because they probably have more experience dealing with these than regular travel agents.  One need not be a student to purchase from a student travel agency (only certain fares.. like AC’s Z class [apex fares without apex restrictions]).  The first ticket was purchased through the agency that arranged my program, the second was purchased from a student travel agency in Jerusalem, although I could have gotten the same ticket through any other means.. the closest one to me happened to be the student one.  It’s possible that domestic open-ended tickets would be full fare, but it may not be the case internationally, which the original poster was asking about. Matthew :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, in my experience open ended tickets are full fare.  And this is a family travelling, so what value would there be in contacting a student travel agency?

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Consolidators aver all are the best general source. (although for tickets this summer to Europe from the us consolidators are not getting real good bargains compared to current costs, that changes radically as the time to fly approaches.) Student fares are not really all that special and usually even more restrictive than consolidator fares. When my daughter went to France for the summer two years ago we bought a consolidator fare and it was cheaper than the student fare, plus there was no pressure to buy the international student id which would not have benefited her much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. I’d say from a consolidator. Most international fares sold from consolidators in Australia have max stays up to a year, though that may not be the case in the US or Canada.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares.

You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points. ward I liked the suggestion I saw in one of the sites I was referred to, to try an agency that specialized in the destination country. We have a significant Italian community here in Ottawa and I know many Italian Ottawans return to Italy for long stays. If my agent’s consolidator fares aren’t significantly better than the published, I’ll try one of the agencies in our little Italy. Again thanks all. I’ll be sure to post a summary of my results when I finally book.

Rabbi Hillel was asked to summarize Torah for a gentile.  "Love thy neighbor as thyself, the rest is commentary."

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Thanks everyone for the excellent suggestions. You’ve restored my faith in usenet. Previously I had been using internet booking sites and airline published fares to figure this out. I have now asked a travel agent to look into consolidator fares. You might do better to seek out the "consolidator" agency itself.  It works here in Honolulu. One good sign is when they refuse your credit card and require payment in cash or check — at this price there is no room in their price for giving away points.

I really doubt that this is a *good* sign.  It’s usually worth a few points to the consumer to be able to charge this expense rather than shell out the full price in cash with little guarantee the company will be in business the day the flight is supposed to leave. —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep.

Check out TISS.com.  I bought a 90day stay for less than half of what a standard reservation would have been.

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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Agents have to walk very tight lines in regard to tickets. Most agency owners, I was one, would prefer that our agents not get too loose with the rules for two reasons. First the debit memo from the airline if they think we did something funny, it is hard to disprove some of the violations that the airlines will pull up. Second, we have no control over changes of fees and the availability to do something once the client has left. Therefore to counsel someone about what they can do today when the rules may change or a ticket agent in another country may or may not go along only opens the doors to a dispute with a client, something none of us want to have happen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent. Hello Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get the best deals on long stay airfare to Europe? It seems anything longer than a 21 day stay doubles the airfare from Ottawa to Rome. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there a smarter way to do this? The whole family is travelling, so $1600 CDN tickets look mighty steep. Suggestions appreciated including pointers to obvious FAQs I have missed.

Our stay in Paris is about 7 weeks (June 13-Aug2), well outside the 30 day limit.  We were able to get decent prices < $750 RT between SFO & CDG from a consolidator. Greg Shenaut

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Hello, I was having the same issues as you a couple of weeks ago.  What I did was I ended up buying a ticket that was part of a seat sale but was only for 3 weeks and I’m going to change the return date once I’m there.  I got my travel agent to ask the airline (Canada 3000) how much they charge for changing the return date once I’m there.  It only costs $150 Canadian for me to do that.  I’m planning on staying for about 6 months.  I’m flying from Calgary to Amsterdam this summer, and returning from Munich.  The ticket I bought costs $800.  I’ve done this before in Central America too, and it was FREE to change the return date.  You’d think that travel agents would know this, but I had to suggest it to the agent.

For all my defense of travel agents and my belief that too many traveler’s bypass a useful source of help and information, *never* assume any agent knows everything and unless you’ve already had good previous experience to allay your fears don’t assume your agent knows anything.  ;-) —     <www.worldtable.com Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

I’d also recommend Holiday Autos, who are basically brokers. They guarantee to be cheaper than anybody else. I’ve used them a number of times for both Italy and Spain (last week in fact). The cars are usually from Europecar or National. You can call them in the U.K. on +44-990-300-400. They quote all-in rates including milage and insurance. or see http://www.holidayautos.co.uk Enjoy your trip Regards Dermot

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says… What type of drivers licences are required to rent and drive in Italy?

all you need is your US license to rent — it is a law in Italy however that you also carry an international driver’s license which you may have to show if stopped.  this is just a translation of your drivers license in to several languages and you can get them from AAA for 10 or 15 bucks. you probably won’t need it — but if you do, you will be glad you have it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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Bill, Instead of calling the big car rental companies directly, ask your travel agent to arrange a rental through a car wholesaler, such as AutoEurope of Portland ME for example.  I just rented for two weeks, out of Amsterdam to be sure, for US$300 including taxes, total for the two weeks.  It was a mid-sized car with A/C.  The rack rates you were quoted sound highly inflationary. Let me know if I can help further. David

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Yes, you will get a cheaper rate directly from Avis but did you check the CDW insurance and was it with A/C?  Add these in and it goes up a lot.

I believe by law you can’t rent a car with CDW (and some other insurance?) in Italy.  So this should be a moot point. My only complaint about Expedia is that everytime I get a rate or airfare that is too good to be true, it is, and I can’t seem to actually get that rate confirmed and purchased.

I don’t deal with outfits which won’t even let my window should without having cookies enabled.  And anyway, it’s bad form to do business with the Evil (Gates) Empire :-) .

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says… What type of drivers licences are required to rent and drive in Italy? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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Yes, you will get a cheaper rate directly from Avis but did you check the CDW insurance and was it with A/C?  Add these in and it goes up a lot. My only complaint about Expedia is that everytime I get a rate or airfare that is too good to be true, it is, and I can’t seem to actually get that rate confirmed and purchased. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just visited Expedia.com and did a search for a car rental for next summer. Searched for a one week rental pick up in Milan (Linate) drop off in Florence. I was quoted a price with Avis of $161 for standard transmission, unlimited milage and no drop off charge. Find it too good to be true but certainly worth a search at their site www.expedia.com. Pat I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I have just returned from Italy.  We rented 7-passanger van (6 tourists with luggage) manual transmission, air conditioning, diesel, small (2.2L engine).  Condition was a little tatty, but it started and stopped, and went where we told it to. Contracted total price will be US$814.  This was from Avis, reserved last march, picked up in Chiusi and returned in Rome. Be aware……Italian stop lights are are mere suggestion.

In the country-side of Florence… the Cita Bus drivers (Blue Buses) OWN the road… do not hesitate about using the shoulder to save your life.  ;-)) jay Wed, Oct 18, 2000   Stop signs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – are apparently transparent to natives.  One American at our hotel reported he was suprised to find that when stopped, first in line at a red light that as soon as cross traffic had cleared you could expect the following Roman drivers to honk.  I found it exciting enough to ride in taxis…….We didn’t exceed 95 mph (yes, mph) on the run to the airport last Tuesday morning. Great trip! Dale Thompson We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

– Legend insists that as he finished his abject… Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

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I just visited Expedia.com and did a search for a car rental for next summer. Searched for a one week rental pick up in Milan (Linate) drop off in Florence. I was quoted a price with Avis of $161 for standard transmission, unlimited milage and no drop off charge. Find it too good to be true but certainly worth a search at their site www.expedia.com. Pat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

Italy is the highest priced place to rent a car we have found and it has been awhile — but we have found each time we rented that different companies had better deals.  Why not have your travel agent shop for you — and see what they come up with.  The one way should not be a factor as it is within Italy [we have rented from Rome to Paris without paying drop charges, but that is getting harder to find] We got a good deal from Khemwel [sp?] one year, another year it was Hertz — so definitely shop around and travel agents are better able to do this.

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Bill, The following site might be able to give you a good price on a rental car in Italy.  Let me know how you make out. http://www.volovia.com/ Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated

And far more than you should have to pay … for a compact or sub-compact, with manual transmission. Rentals in Italy are expensive (probably due to accident and theft rates), but even at that you shouldn’t have to pay more than, probably, half of that. A larger car, automatic transmission = costlier rental. There are many other rental firms, but my first call would be to AutoEurope. (And don’t forget the ‘American’ competitor to A and H, National. The other thought is to question why you want a car for such a short visit in late fall. I apologize for doing so without knowing your plans, but wonder if you’ve considered whether trains might be appropriate for your needs. If you were to say you were going to spend a week or two in spring or early fall driving between Florence and Rome and exploring the hill towns, for example, I’d understand a car. If you’re just visiting major cities than a car is needless expense and a hassle in the cities. Even if you’re visiting small cities between Milan and Rome it’s possible the train might meet your needs well. Ed — Traveling With Ed & Julie: http://TWEnJ.com Trip Planning: Tips, Tools and Resources Rome . Switzerland . Bavaria . Colorado’s San Juans

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I have just returned from Italy.  We rented 7-passanger van (6 tourists with luggage) manual transmission, air conditioning, diesel, small (2.2L engine).  Condition was a little tatty, but it started and stopped, and went where we told it to. Contracted total price will be US$814.  This was from Avis, reserved last march, picked up in Chiusi and returned in Rome. Be aware……Italian stop lights are are mere suggestion.  Stop signs are apparently transparent to natives.  One American at our hotel reported he was suprised to find that when stopped, first in line at a red light that as soon as cross traffic had cleared you could expect the following Roman drivers to honk.  I found it exciting enough to ride in taxis…….We didn’t exceed 95 mph (yes, mph) on the run to the airport last Tuesday morning. Great trip! Dale Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I have just returned from Italy.  We rented 7-passanger van (6 tourists with luggage) manual transmission, air conditioning, diesel, small (2.2L engine).  Condition was a little tatty, but it started and stopped, and went where we told it to. Contracted total price will be US$814.  This was from Avis, reserved last march, picked up in Chiusi and returned in Rome. Be aware……Italian stop lights are are mere suggestion.  Stop signs are apparently transparent to natives.  One American at our hotel reported he was suprised to find that when stopped, first in line at a red light that as soon as cross traffic had cleared you could expect the following Roman drivers to honk.  I found it exciting enough to ride in taxis…….We didn’t exceed 95 mph (yes, mph) on the run to the airport last Tuesday morning. Great trip! Dale Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated

And far more than you should have to pay … for a compact or sub-compact, with manual transmission. Rentals in Italy are expensive (probably due to accident and theft rates), but even at that you shouldn’t have to pay more than, probably, half of that. A larger car, automatic transmission = costlier rental. There are many other rental firms, but my first call would be to AutoEurope. (And don’t forget the ‘American’ competitor to A and H, National. The other thought is to question why you want a car for such a short visit in late fall. I apologize for doing so without knowing your plans, but wonder if you’ve considered whether trains might be appropriate for your needs. If you were to say you were going to spend a week or two in spring or early fall driving between Florence and Rome and exploring the hill towns, for example, I’d understand a car. If you’re just visiting major cities than a car is needless expense and a hassle in the cities. Even if you’re visiting small cities between Milan and Rome it’s possible the train might meet your needs well. Ed — Traveling With Ed & Julie: http://TWEnJ.com Trip Planning: Tips, Tools and Resources Rome . Switzerland . Bavaria . Colorado’s San Juans

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Bill, The following site might be able to give you a good price on a rental car in Italy.  Let me know how you make out. http://www.volovia.com/ Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

Italy is the highest priced place to rent a car we have found and it has been awhile — but we have found each time we rented that different companies had better deals.  Why not have your travel agent shop for you — and see what they come up with.  The one way should not be a factor as it is within Italy [we have rented from Rome to Paris without paying drop charges, but that is getting harder to find] We got a good deal from Khemwel [sp?] one year, another year it was Hertz — so definitely shop around and travel agents are better able to do this.

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I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I just visited Expedia.com and did a search for a car rental for next summer. Searched for a one week rental pick up in Milan (Linate) drop off in Florence. I was quoted a price with Avis of $161 for standard transmission, unlimited milage and no drop off charge. Find it too good to be true but certainly worth a search at their site www.expedia.com. Pat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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I have just returned from Italy.  We rented 7-passanger van (6 tourists with luggage) manual transmission, air conditioning, diesel, small (2.2L engine).  Condition was a little tatty, but it started and stopped, and went where we told it to. Contracted total price will be US$814.  This was from Avis, reserved last march, picked up in Chiusi and returned in Rome. Be aware……Italian stop lights are are mere suggestion.

In the country-side of Florence… the Cita Bus drivers (Blue Buses) OWN the road… do not hesitate about using the shoulder to save your life.  ;-)) jay Wed, Oct 18, 2000   Stop signs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – are apparently transparent to natives.  One American at our hotel reported he was suprised to find that when stopped, first in line at a red light that as soon as cross traffic had cleared you could expect the following Roman drivers to honk.  I found it exciting enough to ride in taxis…….We didn’t exceed 95 mph (yes, mph) on the run to the airport last Tuesday morning. Great trip! Dale Thompson We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

– Legend insists that as he finished his abject… Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

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Yes, you will get a cheaper rate directly from Avis but did you check the CDW insurance and was it with A/C?  Add these in and it goes up a lot. My only complaint about Expedia is that everytime I get a rate or airfare that is too good to be true, it is, and I can’t seem to actually get that rate confirmed and purchased. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just visited Expedia.com and did a search for a car rental for next summer. Searched for a one week rental pick up in Milan (Linate) drop off in Florence. I was quoted a price with Avis of $161 for standard transmission, unlimited milage and no drop off charge. Find it too good to be true but certainly worth a search at their site www.expedia.com. Pat I’ve rented the past two years from www.initaly.com who brokered me through AutoEurope and the rental was actually through Avis. For a one week rental Sept 21-27, 2000, I paid $219US plus $15 road tax. That included zero deductible on all insurance coverage (CDW,  etc.). That included pickup in Florence and dropoff in Siena, a one way rental.  The car was a 4 door Fiat, manual with A/C.  Last year, same time, the price was $252 for 5 days, pick up in Rome and drop off in Lucca. It’s more for 5 days than for a week.  Normally, I don’t take CDW and use a Gold Card but in Italy…. You pay a surcharge for pickup or drop off at an airport. — John Vittoe "Chance favors only the prepared mind."                                Louis Pasteur www.vittoe.com We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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Yes, you will get a cheaper rate directly from Avis but did you check the CDW insurance and was it with A/C?  Add these in and it goes up a lot.

I believe by law you can’t rent a car with CDW (and some other insurance?) in Italy.  So this should be a moot point. My only complaint about Expedia is that everytime I get a rate or airfare that is too good to be true, it is, and I can’t seem to actually get that rate confirmed and purchased.

I don’t deal with outfits which won’t even let my window should without having cookies enabled.  And anyway, it’s bad form to do business with the Evil (Gates) Empire :-) .

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says… What type of drivers licences are required to rent and drive in Italy? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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says… What type of drivers licences are required to rent and drive in Italy?

all you need is your US license to rent — it is a law in Italy however that you also carry an international driver’s license which you may have to show if stopped.  this is just a translation of your drivers license in to several languages and you can get them from AAA for 10 or 15 bucks. you probably won’t need it — but if you do, you will be glad you have it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

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Bill, Instead of calling the big car rental companies directly, ask your travel agent to arrange a rental through a car wholesaler, such as AutoEurope of Portland ME for example.  I just rented for two weeks, out of Amsterdam to be sure, for US$300 including taxes, total for the two weeks.  It was a mid-sized car with A/C.  The rack rates you were quoted sound highly inflationary. Let me know if I can help further. David

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We are  flying in to Milan on November 10 and will be flying out of Rome on November 19. I want to rent a car one way from Milan to Rome. I made several calls and Hertz and Avis want about US$1,000 to rent us a car for this period. This is far more than we can afford. Any advice will be appreciated Bill Murphy

I’d also recommend Holiday Autos, who are basically brokers. They guarantee to be cheaper than anybody else. I’ve used them a number of times for both Italy and Spain (last week in fact). The cars are usually from Europecar or National. You can call them in the U.K. on +44-990-300-400. They quote all-in rates including milage and insurance. or see http://www.holidayautos.co.uk Enjoy your trip Regards Dermot

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